Are caves not regenerating ore?


#24

Are you trying to troll me? Trump is a good example what not to do. Anyway, thankfully I don’t ever lived in USA, and never intend to live. They choose this guy, they have to live with it, not my problem :smiley:

The ore/gems placement in chunks is random (provided some strict rules like depth or height of stones and soils above, and overall count of given resource per planet). If a block has 1% chance of having an ore/gem in it, mining it does not make the chance to be lower. Probability does not work this way.


#25

He’s never really had anything positive to say, mostly non-constructive complaining. Was an attempt to get him to elaborate and back up his cliam wich he opted out of.


#26

Is that a fact? Because it sounds like fake news. Trump got elected by a free and fair democratic process and he is the most powerful man in the world, now. There are a lot of people who would do whatever they could to get to that point, so, for them, he is a great example for them to get to where they want to be.


#27

Resolve issues with surface-resources not being regenerated if “only” surface resources were harvested in a chunk, without making any other modifications. This also resolves some other more edge-case issues where you could similarly stop resources (whether embedded in rock, or surface resources) from regenerating if using a regeneration bomb to fully regenerate a chunk, or if plotting areas of a chunk where only surface-resources had been removed and later unplotting once the rest of the chunk had regenerated. The world data will be migrated in a such a way that any chunks that already experienced the problem will get their surface resources regenerated shortly without further user interaction. Devs patch notes!


#28

I think the point is that once mined the block that replaces the mined block over time has a percentage chance of being a resource. Since only the resources were mined in the first place, each time the blocks are regenerated the odds are that less and less of the blocks on the surface of the cave will have resources.


#29

Remember people, Boundless Code of Conduct, don’t try any personal attacks. And don’t try to bring in politics, this isn’t the place for it.

In that regard, if the information provided is not factually correct, you can mention it, but don’t try to do an ad-hominem.


#30

I wasn’t bringing this to a political point. I didn’t state my allegiance, it was an example of a working system that was employed in the same manner that was to be disproved. If anything, this was more of a broadening of the scope given the information provided. Either way, I am still confused about the train of thought, and would like clarification.


#31

What sound like a fake news? That I don’t live or care about USA? Or that it’s Americans have to deal with their problems not me? Or maybe how does probability works?


#32

wow guys really?
from ores in caves to fake news and trump?

please dont bring politics in play, politic discussion allways ends in toxic behavior.


#33

Well, I would say that it doesn’t make sense as far as your numbers. Could you dive into the code and determine that it’s a 1% chance? Do you have a source or any information about how this occurs? I’m not really finding a connection between reality and these claims, but again, as with Seth, I respect your opinion and will acknowledge that it is a valid.


#34

This seems to tie into what trizer said above. I’m curious as to what the dev’s thoughts are on this @Steggs101 @lucadeltodecso


#35

Agreed, I get attacked and literally an hour later a patch comes out proving me correct. :confused: Shame and I can’t even name them cus the devs yell at me for doing it.


#36

I’m not sure if regeneration of a chunk works this way. I suspect that missing chunk blocks are regenerated, superfluous are removed, and then ore/gems is inserted into the chunk (not only the regenerated blocks). And my suspicion is based on what devs said, that it’s two step process: firs regenerate blocks, then resource regeneration.


#37

It has nothing to do with politics. I was showing support for a fellow gamer using equitable examples.


#38

If the resources are distributed normally across all blocks then the result would be biased towards cleaning out the caves. Imagine mining all the ore in a cave and then leaving, if the chunk regenerates the resources the odds are definitely in favor of all that ore being distributed elsewhere.


#39

I always suspected that because voxel generation occurs with player interaction that the block behind, and adjacent blocks, undergo a check based off of current resource allocation and (completely unverified or tested) player luck. It may be that they somehow place the resources in an XYZ location prior to the exposure of any other face, but that means, by my understanding, that there would have to be another check versus a master sheet of some randomly generated numbers and would more than likely be a more resource intensive means of accomplishing the same thing. Also, predetermined value would really prevent any actual adjustment on the fly based on population counts.


#40

There was a dot instead of comma in my post, read it again please after my edit. I never intended to state that something has a 1%.

I got my suspicious based on bits and pieces of information from devs, and my experience in writing a code that try to do stuff in generic manner instead of taking care of many special cases. And doing map -> reduce on array of blocks to insert resource, after blocks are regenerated makes more sense, and is easier to write and then read, than an algorithm that checks only regenerated blocks and check if it hasn’t already had resource. Keeping information about whether did block had a resource before being mined is additional data that can be expensive to keep, because you have to do it for every block in planet, and as I wrote, there are easier ways to have a uniform, random ore distribution in given chunk, without keeping all the additional data.


#41

I don’t understand, to be honest. Maybe it’s my inclination towards my own methodology, but the check and double check method seems like it would eat up server side processing power given the player population and the sheer number of voxel generation that occurs from basic interaction. In my understanding it is a mesh, and as that mesh bends and folds, it is then determined what is “behind” it.


#42

@sztosz If you have an issue with another player, take it somewhere private; no one wants to be involved in that here.

@Chivlet Quite simply, just avoid political references - this is a game forum, any talk of politics can easily derail threads and cause negativity.

Thanks.


#43

You got it Steggs, message received. <3