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#115

I thought at first no portals would be a problem when I heard there would be a reset at all.
But honestly now I know what i am doing. I’ll have portals in a week, where will be worth going will take longer :smiley: - re exploring the galaxy will take longer, resetting up my mining network longer.

No shops will be a MUCH bigger issue for longer than portals, so i’ll be asking one of the bigger cities players if I can join them, collectively we’ll get started much faster than I would ever on my own. So yeah a total wipe of all shops and all portals will be an issue for a time. My advice to anyone new in the first weeks will be to find a community and setup a basic set of plots near them, and if history is anything to go by keep those plots for when the city gets busier.

No cities. Ah. That will be hit and miss. Some will be designed well some will be chaotic, like anything I suppose. It’ll be a ■■■■ shoot whether I pick the right group of people to join.

Though all this seems to be arguing against a total wipe. Some players will enjoy being frontiers men and women at launch, and perhaps the devs can use that notion to sell a few more copies in their marketing, colonizing the galaxy etc.


#116

If you think about it, this definitely is not the first time everyone was new. None of the current portals and cities would exist if people had not started a new civilization from scratch. This time will be much easier as the game has progressed thanks to developers, now there are many experienced players, etc. The difference is far more people get to be in on the creation of civilization this time. Recreation is always far easier than creation. New worlds and everyone starting new is a good thing which many of us have been planning on the whole time we have been playing. All we have been doing it so far is make mistakes to learn from so that we can do things better while not worrying about the mistakes as we knew we have only been practicing. We learn how to build and what designs work well as well as how much space we need for the equipment, etc. Other than that we have been testing to help improve the game for when we do start for real. We have essentially been in school and graduation is coming so that we can start our new lives with the knowledge we have gained. I for one can’t wait to no longer be a Practicing Oortian and instead be a real Oortian from birth. New worlds, new characters, new creations, new and larger society to go with the new and larger universe. What an exciting time to be an Oortian when we have “the big bang”!!! :grinning:


#117

it’s an Oort Bang :grin:


#118

Kal - El

 I disagree with a lot of what you said.

But I do agree that the wipe is needed thanks too Prome3us share in a PM wish he would have added it to this thread the Why I asked so many times earlier for…

According to Prome3us, Fiberous Leaves were far easier to obtain in the past and so elder players have huge stack of these

Also according to Prome3us, There is indeed a gem disaparity between the more veteran players and current as it was indeed easier to obtain these mats…

I believe there were a few other things he listed but these ARE reasons for a wipe!!! Good reasons…

The buildings and footfall dribble that’s been floating around lately is NOT. The thought process that these older builds are so prestigious no one can catch up is flat bull… Sparta is all of a month old and Its passed up Black Light on Berlyn and is #4 rapidly gaining on the 3 position.

Not to mention the whole someone started before me is at an advantage is a DUH! Statement anyway… Do we need to wipe the server everyday so that new players joining will always be on an even footing?!?

This whole footfall is pay to win is just a garbage discussion! Footfall is such a MINOR amount of income that its NOT really relevant at all… Not to mention this is Not a game you can win… There is no Winning in boundless…

Basically the wipe reasons that make sense is various different resources were easier at some point and these resources make a big impact on the economy… The buildings however are minor and its a shame to see them wiped… Its too bad there is not a way to wipe Storage and Inventory without the buildings…


#119

Meh most gems are easy to mine. Just sapphire and amethyst which are annoying. Some people mine several thousand leaves an hour in swamps.


#120

I was merely pointing to the fact that there was a disparity at some point during development, so whatever we see today is basically a repetitive play over what has come before.

It would be akin to expecting da vinci to only ever use one canvas and end up painting the mona lisa on top of them all. My motivation for a wipe pre launch remains for the developers’ benefit to see that everything behaves as they expect without any possible legacy interference


#121

I agree. I’d like to see a couple of fresh starts myself, with warning so we can finish our big builds. (And have the planets + builds saved)

However its also important to see the opposite.

What’s it like for a new player dropping into an establish game. Which will happen too of course.


#122

I agree with the change of planets and entire fresh start being necessary. I also agree with a point I didn’t quote about how footfall is such a minor amount of money it isn’t even necessary as most people will make more in daily and weekly bonuses in a week than they make in footfall in a year. Footfall is just a big deal to the wealthy city dwellers. You are also correct about how quickly new communities can bypass even capitals. Groups who wish to create new capitals can always do so if they store materials and then one day start building as a group. The last month or so a few capitals have fallen. I think it’s Vena V where the former capital is now #7 or so (I just got active again there and discovered that trivia). It looks like former capitals are not being maintained now that they are not the capital and so land is being reclaimed and buildings disappear and portals are gone. That is passage of time in any civilization. Former cities of glory become dust bowls and forests. Former mighty empires become ancient tales in books and movies while the land becomes third world countries. It is the same in the land of the Oortians.

As for existing buildings when we start anew? If people love them they will have screenshots of them. Those who built them can build again if they really loved them and probably do it more effeciently with fewer mistakes now that they are experienced. Other people might build copies of existing buildings using screenshots they saved as their guide and correcting differences. New players will be bringing more skill and more ideas to our universe. We will have more buildings on more planets and the most spectacular are likely not built yet in the history of the Oortians. The future is bright. Those who have been in for years on the practice have the biggest advantage due to experience and others have a smaller advantage over those who will be coming, but, there are new generations who will be determined to outshine the brightest stars we have had in the practice era. Income or no income, the best is yet to come from those who are artists and enjoy building for the fun of building.


#123

I think the plan is to save buildings and the planets for later like a museum. Which makes sense. The game would lose a lot if all the old landmarks vanished into smoke, along with a portion of the playerbase that invested all the time into it.

It’s not a small thing to recreate thousands of hours of work :D.


#124

Would this same logic apply for the next expansion? Or patch? With any luck the game wont stop to change once its released. I would hope that we dont need to restart the world to deal with change or to somehow verify its value or accuracy - that doesnt sound like a persistent world to me.


#125

I certainly hope not!! No this would be a one time step since we are officially only testing the game at the moment, after 1.0 I’d expect and hope that the existing worlds then will persist.

Until 2.0 that is :wink:


#126

As far as the game goes, my understanding of what @James said is that the existing planets may be archived, but, as far as actually playing the game it will be all new planets. So, existing landmarks may be in a museum archive for anyone to visit if they want to look. But, for actual play new and old players will be creating new Oortian landmarks on new planets.


#127

Yes. That’s what i’ve read too.


#128

I don’t want to wait for new worlds. I want them 5 minutes ago… 10 minutes ago… a month ago… I want them now so I can have something new to look at. Along with new monsters to shoot, new stuff to mine up.

Jiivita, get on it… chop chop. :smiley:


#129

You continue to miss the point of my posts. Your “flat bull” comments are even more ridiculous than you saying my posts are ridiculous. It has nothing to do with current prestige of current buildings.

No where did I say that and stop trying to put words in my mouth or others that are talking about a wipe and the P2W situation of plot buying. You just really make yourself and your arguments look foolish.

There is an economy that you make money in. So you can classify your ability to succeed in that economy as a win. Just like you can classify killing a monster as a win. If you can’t understand the context of the discussion, then please stop trying to discount and throw it out as worthless because you aren’t adding anything else by noise.

You haven’t been here playing the game long enough to make that statement. The resources have been balanced back and forth over patches for a long time. Gems were almost impossible to get on a decent level last year until the easy “meteor” hunts came around. Then gems were a breeze to gather and hence you saw tons of new builds of gems everywhere show up. Now that it has been balanced by the developers you are seeing them probably balanced better. Also the wipe is needed for a million more reasons than just the “economy.”


#130

Blockquote You haven’t been here playing the game long enough to make that statement. The resources have been balanced back and forth over patches for a long time. Gems were almost impossible to get on a decent level last year until the easy “meteor” hunts came around. Then gems were a breeze to gather and hence you saw tons of new builds of gems everywhere show up. Now that it has been balanced by the developers you are seeing them probably balanced better. Also the wipe is needed for a million more reasons than just the “economy.”

If you had read what I wrote you would have seen I was quoting information shared with me in a PM from Prome3us as to why a wipe is needed.

Further more the economy is the only viable reason for a wipe… 'The rest of the reasons don’t hold water!

Blockquote There is an economy that you make money in. So you can classify your ability to succeed in that economy as a win. Just like you can classify killing a monster as a win. If you can’t understand the context of the discussion, then please stop trying to discount and throw it out as worthless because you aren’t adding anything else by noise.

And footfall isn’t going to help you win at the economy game… Go on a hunt sell the stuff you get to gemporium and make 50K + Or Build a giant city put up 50 Portals and advertise all over the forum and get 50K in 2 Months!!!

Seriously Footfall is such a minor amount of money its not worth talking about!!!

Blockquote No where did I say that and stop trying to put words in my mouth or others that are talking about a wipe and the P2W situation of plot buying. You just really make yourself and your arguments look foolish.

Did I quote you??? No I did not I was not responding to you in that regard at all… Got a guilty conscience much!


#131

I only see your name for all the quotes. If I misquoted you then I apologize.

I’m still pretty sure that you have less experience in the game and seen it change as much as I have over the past year which is why we have such different views in how to approach fundamental game dynamics. I don’t mean that as a dig but that it will definitely make it hard for us to see eye to eye or me influence you to change your views because I have seen many things in this game and how people act around plots, footfall, income, city mayor.

I’ve said this before to people just because it is minor doesn’t mean it isn’t important. And added to this the whole basis of my points went way beyond footfall. I have only been focused on it because people try to argue against the issue with it. The plot purchases affect Mayor, City rankings, and many other dynamics in the game which adds to the problem. I’m just not covering anything because footfall is easy to talk about and it is an easy fix to do in the bigger picture.

I’m not sure what country you live in or how old you are but when someone says “no where did I say that and stop trying to put words in my mouth” it is a common phrase that means the context of your response to them was completely off base from what they originally stated.

You implied that my parts of my comments were about people “starting before me as an advantage” and “everyday server wipes to be fair”. That is just shifting the context way too far from my original words I used to try to share my perspective on the clear issue at hand.

Please note I was not trying to be condescending here. I really wanted to stop and make sure that you understood what I meant by the words in my mouth statement. Sometimes people don’t understand I didn’t want to assume that.


#132

I feel like I need to step in here now because this topic is so contentious that it keeps spilling over into other threads and derailing topics. Can we please respect the original topic of a thread? Maybe even start a brand new thread for the topic? I totally support it being discussed but if it can’t be contained to its own threads, I’m going to have to start moving posts. That’s a lot of thankless work for me, and bound to ■■■■ people off at me so plz… let’s not come to that?


#133

Since you ask a question in your comment, I will respond. I don’t think you need to split anything off at this point. The discussion is over. Plenty of people have reached out to me agreeing overall with my views and we see many disagree and won’t change their views.

My original post on this thread was not an attempt at all to hijack the overall context of the thread, but instead just a relevant side comment. It was jumped on with consistent comments that I was completely wrong and that the topic I brought up was such a small thing that it was irrelevant and not worth discussing. Basically just a complete dismissal of my experiences and perspective on game dynamics.

I felt I had a right to respond and defend myself, yet I didn’t expect it to have to continue over and over. I wanted a rational conversation and just a bit of respect in the views I had. People were more than welcome to take something I said and explain how they saw it differently without having to call it irrelavant or worthless. They could also silenty disagree. Something I have done many times myself on other posts.

Additonally, so far I am one of the few people that have ever actually apologized in a thread across the whole forum. Earlier when the P2W discussion started by Karko he was ripped apart and called stupid at one point. We have seen this in many forms where someone posts views and the fanboys call to arms and rip that person apart – basically brow beating them into silence and making they leave. So I wasn’t about to just shut up and leave because of some comment people made to me and their attempts to polarize the conversation so much that we have to stop it. I was going to at least support and stand for mine and others views, but in this case it certainly could have been in a more relevant thread.

Yes, I completely agree the conversation should have been shifted away from this thread much sooner and will do so. I think we all are at fault for not mentioning that earlier or doing so ourselves.


#134

For the sake of rational conversion and debate between people… No one should not be trying to devalue another persons opinion by calling them “stupid” or “fanboy”. Differences in opinion do not make anyone any of those things… it just makes them a person with a different opinion. That is all.

These forums are here for the purpose of discussing Boundless - not people.

Not so… there have been many others able to eat humble pie in these forums and I am also apologising now, for not picking up on the name calling and putting a stop to it.

In the words of Bill & Ted…

(even if you don’t always agree)