Great work. I would prefer something like an 80% return on seeds and being able to turn earthyams directly into usable bulbs to make up the difference.
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There’s debug info for this…? Wow that makes it so much easier 
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To add a further personal observation on all of this:
I have never been in favour of the regen-farming mechanic, however, with its complete removal and without very good seed return ratios on farming, like @redlegdaddy (I think it was you) mentioned in another thread, all that farming will accomplish for things like yams will be a time-gated, and hence reduced, production of all types of yams and starberries across the board.
And in the Live version of the game, it can already feel quite tedious to farm these things using the regen-farming methods, so considering the set up required to make a crop farm and the planning required to make it have ideal conditions, it feels absolutely crucial that farming has the potential to be as easy to get into as possible while also minimising the amount of wild-seed gathering required once a farm gets going.
It is important to remember just how much some people value their time, and while I personally have the time to test this, I will extrapolate that many people might feel like there’s too much time committent to farming to bother doing it, even at a casual level, unless the seed return rates become near or at 100%, at least if no seed-making machine comes into play.
If a seed-making machine came into play, the current seed return rates could be acceptable, but the produce may need a little tweaking.
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Small update; after harvesting most of the remaining crops just now, only 2 non-mature crops are left.
I ended up with a grand total of 354 seeds, potentially 356 if the 2 non-mature crops gave me 1 each. This averages out at 48.49% chance of a seed with this field setup (730 crops in total).
The total yams harvested were 1375, potentially up to 1381 if both remaining crops gave 3, but they’d most likely be giving 2 each.
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Now go farm up up 300ish more seeds XD
By my current seed gathering estimates (72items/10mins), on a world that has a supposed 0.5% occurrence rate of earthyam bulbs, I would gather about 432 seeds in 1 hour.
Well, at least only in the case that I don’t stop for anything else.
I really don’t have much energy to do much more seed gathering right now though and I have to do real dinner soon. 
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In the interest of continuing to provide data, I have just harvested nearly all the Exotic Earthyams I had planted. 654 of the 656 sowed plants were harvested.
From this harvest, with a field with these average conditions (debug window):
There was a total of 1268 produce, which places the crop:produce ratio at an approximated and averaged 1:1.938~ , and there was a total 320 seeds, which would be enough to replant about 48.9% of the field, which is 0.1% off the margin expected from the debug info. Almost every plant gave me 2 yams per crop, which seems reasonable, but I would prefer at this point to be able to turn some of that produce back into the seeds…
This does highlight the importance of being able to see this debug info as actual metainfo when looking at crops. A player without the debug info won’t be able to prepare themselves as accurately for the amount of seeds they’ll have to gather to replant the field next time.
And in my case, I wouldn’t replant the field at all, until I had all the seeds I needed again, as I’d prefer to collect the entire field at once and not bit by bit.
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I think the debug menu info (current seed and produce chance) should be made visible to all players, a hand held crop analyzer or something.
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Indeed, because with that info I quickly worked out this is a potentially optimal layout for the Chaggeatarin plant:
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Ehmm, nice, but I have no idea what I’m looking at, mud and soil? Could use some more explanation…
Also for the people who have no idea, what is a Chaggeatarin plant?
Chagg replaces one of the old grass seeds tho I forget which one.
Why are we asking for a higher seed yield vs produce from the devs if time is the concern?
If each plant dropped 4-6 yams then with 100 seeds you could get over 900 yams ( with current seed drops)
Wouldn’t more produce save more time then more seeds? If we lower yeild and increase seeds you have to replant the seeds X more times to get the same outcome
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I just exitted the game to have a look at doing some lunch, but off the top of my head this is the Flour plant.
I’ll make a diagram later explaining what the screenshot is showing.
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It is both that the time and efficiency of the WIP farming is worse than the current systems for getting the same mats. If you do not have to gather then farming becomes a nice way to trade time for being able to do other things while your crops grow, but if you have to gather everytime then it is worse than both AOE block farming and surface gathering in that regard.
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At least I would not have to gather every time in between a harvest. I just went looking for seeds versus cheating them and got about 10 in roughly 5 minutes. So for me to replant a field of 300 to get the 600 yield I need to gather (300 - (300 x .67)) 99 more so I need to spend 50 minutes gathering before replanting the entire field. Not worth the increased harvest in my opinion.
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Ok, so, using the data found here by @Mayumichi:
I was then able to work things out for maximum yield like this:
Basically, the central crop here will receive a bonus to its yields for having up to 3 water blocks, up to 3 mud blocks and up to 8 extra tilled soil blocks within the blue radius.
All the other blocks within the radius, the ones marked as “not required”, can be whatever you want, but this layout means that all the crops in those tilled soils will receive bonuses up to the maximum, as far as I was able to plan.
If, for example, you only have 2 water blocks and 1 mud block and 4 extra tilled soil blocks around the central crop, then you will get a crop that is not maxed in its yields, but that will grow and bear fruit anyway.
Let me know if more explanations are required or if there are more questions.
Edit: Small clarification on something I overlooked/forgot to mention when putting this together. Currently, the bonus/benefit to the central crop can only be attained within this radius, if the blocks are on the same horizontal level.
This means that blocks at the same height as the actual plant or below the soil will have no effect. I have reported this elsewhere in my initial findings investigating this mechanic, though I forget where that post is exactly.
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Do half chiseled mud with a half block of water count as a full block of each or no?
For the purposes of farming yield benefits, yes; I did test this the other day when I saw people talking about chiselled blocks with water in them.
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So it’s possible to use even less space by combining the both of them? That is really good information to have.