Lack of experience from crafting(..and hunting) broke the level system a little bit

[DashEWz]

@Havok40k

Chiseling is an obvious place to raise xp rates. It seems to me that a 20% xp raise here would be good too.

Agree, since new chisel update is coming, game is focused on a different kind of building stuff that isn’t just “squared”, it already has good variants on this it should have a boost on xp to act as incentive for chiseled structures, also it’s lots of fun to play with that.

@Havok40k

I’m curious about how builders will utilize props like pillars and doors in their builds. Is it maybe worth it to restrict certain high tier props to just builders? Much like how craftsmen require skills to craft gem tools, and miners require mastery to utilize them properly, make builders utilize a skill to place progressively better props. Basic utilitarian props like shelves, tables, beds, basic wooden doors should remain free, exotic wooden and stone doors/poles and sone props are 1 skill point (sp), metal and gem props are 2, super exotic blink/ dark matter props (if they exist) are 3 sp. Then, add progressively better xp rewards for placing these items. A -xp gain for breaking these blocks prevents placement spam.

i don’t actually agree with this, because what if you have someone that wants let’s say furniture on their normal house, it would have to level some alt just to place stuff on the ground. Maybe make those structures placeable for everyone but extra xp rewarding for just builders like “If you have X amount of skillpoints spent here it boosts x% XP when placing X tier blocks”; and make that boost depend on another main skill under the same branch to unlock it, so it forces players to take a route on the skilltree (because hey, everyone could stack XP boost from skills and then refund them)

[Marrash]

@Havok40k

I wonder what you think of my second suggestion in that same paragraph? I am going to edit that comment to better separate the two ideas more clearly.

You know, I utterly misinterpreted the meaning of the second part… sorry!

Now that I’ve re-read it, I’m far more on board with the idea of a passive per-points minor increase in experience gain, though I do still have misgivings. I’ll admit I could be me overthinking things, but I think still might leave generalists behind. If, as James has stated, the goal is to have a roughly equivalent XP-per-hour rate for all players, then this would break that principle. Specialists would have increased skills spent in a single tree, and so access to an activity that earns more experience per hour than someone who has a lot of different activities that earn less. I would be concerned that people would feel the need to specialise, in order to more efficient.

[Marrash]

@DashEWz

i don’t actually agree with this, because what if you have someone that wants let’s say furniture on their normal house, it would have to level some alt just to place stuff on the ground.

I think the idea would be that you get a builder to do it for you.

Even if it wasn’t, how is this really any different than if someone came to the forums and said “…, because what if you have someone that wants let’s say, to take some normal materials and craft something out of them, it would have to level some alt just to make anything nice”.

I’m not having a go, I really want to understand the mindset that seems to separate crafting from the rest of the skills.

[DashEWz]

@Marrash

Even if it wasn’t, how is this really any different than if someone came to the forums and said “…, because what if you have someone that wants let’s say, to take some normal materials and craft something out of them, it would have to level some alt just to make anything nice”.

I was pointing out at the idea that @havok40k said:

@Havok40k

make builders utilize a skill to place progressively better props. (…) exotic wooden and stone doors/poles and sone props are 1 skill point (sp), metal and gem props are 2, super exotic blink/ dark matter props (if they exist) are 3 sp.

Which makes the action of placing itself skill restricted, and that shouldn’t be a thing, ever, for the sake of building. Unless you want to force the entire server to level up an entire branch of a skilltree.

It’s like basics of -Do- and -Do Not- when you’re going somewhere with an idea.

@Marrash

I think the idea would be that you get a builder to do it for you

This could be easily adapted by merchants, it can be reduced to a few questions* having in mind that everyone can do everything in the game, just not at the same time or speed, merchants could learn this part of the skilltree aswell

How many skills there are?, are we limiting the amount of branches a single character can cover?, if so, whats the skillpoint amount needed to max it out?, how many levels will that take?

Maybe re-do some maths on a new skill tree prototype after this is settled

[Deadfinger]

For example, come across a rare creature for 10x XP, come across a rare block for 10x XP, forge a special enhancement for 10x XP, building (… unknown any ideas?), exploration (… find a special location?). (Someone will have the genius idea we need to fold in for all different styles.)

What about for building you get the bonus xp for building with previously mentioned rare block… or a bonus for building with other players (like guild members).

The only real thing i can think of for an exploration bonus would be to tie it into a combat bonus like in guild wars 2 where an exploration bonus is awarded based on how long a creature has been alive in the world before it was killed. or A bonus separate from feats that gives exp for discovering all regions on a single planet.