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You are talking about classes whereas I’m talking about races.
Regarding classes I completely agree with you, the skilltree should be open to every race equally.
But I’m a huge defender of minor racial differences, as to be seen in WoW, any The Elder Scrolls game, Guild Wars and pretty much any other RPG with different races to choose from.
The differences for races in guildwars 2 is basicaly non existent though
Really it is like 6 skills that you don’t use anyway because the synergise badly with your class skills.
sorry my mistake. hmmm… if they are making all races 100% same from skill/abilitys does that mean that there’s basically no different races only different looks?
Depends on how you look on it, in guildwars the races gamewise is not really deffined by their extra skills but the main story that follows the individual races.
I basically never choose based on racial limitation and/or skills anyway (with exeption of wow where they lock whole classes behind specefic races)
At the moment, no difference between races besides aesthetic. I doubt it’s too late to change that, though. Personally I am impartial in this debate. The reasons for both points are equally valid.
Exactly that.
Most games makes the racial difference so small that it isn’t really that big a difference that it becomes gameplay defining anaway, if you don’t go wow and lock classes and such that is
I don’t understand everyone saying that races don’t matter in AAA titles. Draenei are clearly the master race with their racial heal…although that’s coming from a mistweaver monk main who gets a +40% off of it.
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All other races are inferior to the forsaken.
Filthy forsaken would think that…#wrathgate.
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Well, even if you don’t consider the class-lock I wouldn’t call the WoW racials negligible:
As a blood elf protection paladin, their racial was godly. I was an interrupt/silence machine back in the day.
True but then again with all these noticable racial differences:
It seems rather hard to balance no?
I mean, is true balance attainable ever? I’d argue no.
Even with my racial ability on my draenei building off of a healing bonus from my class, I’m still outhealed by our guild’s shaman.
And even though I was decent at interrupts a few years ago on my paladin that didn’t remove the need for other interrupting users.
Anyway, WoW discussions are getting us off track from Boundless. I meant to just make a small joke but it sort of went further.
I think so long as the Boundless skill trees are wide enough and deep enough then having characters that are unique enough should be attainable, especially with the differences in forge stats and wearables. I think tying uniqueness to profession paths instead of race selection gets at the same goal but just seems to be a difficult thing for people to wrap their heads around.
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The tough part about racials, for me, is when the community decides that a particular race is better at some particular role. Players playing that role, but the “wrong” race become somewhat ostracized in groups. (See: troll warriors in classic WoW)
The trouble is that race is a decision (often) made at the very start of their play with the game. If they “choose wrong”, they’re (lightly) punished - or they experience anxiety surrounding the choice.
If players could change these racials after the fact, it wouldn’t be a problem, even if it were difficult to do. They probably wouldn’t be called racials at that point, though.
WoW’s racials especially irk me due to the paid race changes. Min/maxers feel compelled to follow the FOTM. I know quite a few folk that spent an unreasonable amount of money on that, just so they could be “optimal” :-/
My thoughts on racial abilities have been stated many times on these forums. I think if we really want to reopen racials, then we can reopen one of those threads. This broad thread doesn’t seem like the place to continue such a narrow discussion.
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You like these disclaimers 
but yeah I am going to find a relevant thread and necro it by moving our posts over there.
Yes I do. I find it helps prevent preventable drama or misunderstandings, especially when I’m posting in a topic that the community is strongly passionate about.
I’m not sure if there is much news in this topic, but I have a suggestion that may please all sides: Don’t make race-specific abilities, BUT do make abilities that you have to choose from in character creation. Using the above example, you could choose whichever race/colors/customizations you wanted for aesthetics, then you could choose I want less falling damage but less payload as well. Or, just less falling damage. That way, there is still a certain special thing you can have, but it’s not tied to how the character looks. In WoW, for example, I loved the troll racial ability (in Vanilla WoW, not sure it’s the same now), but I thought trolls were the least cool looking in their armor. I would have loved being able to choose a Tauren, and give them the berserk talent.
