Beacons Survey Results

[TheBirne]

@olliepurkiss

A player is not allowed to leave a guild of their own choice.

This is a No-Go for me … Let the sponored beacon plots be temporal still available for the left guild and then going back to the player, but not to be able to leave a guild is a good cause to never become a member. Sorry to be so direct, but this idea is worth some words which would be shown in tiny black blocks here in the forum

[Thorbjorn42gbf]

You could expant that and say that every time the beacon remove one of their beacon plots the plots would go towards their depts before themself.

[nevir]

@Vastar

. And only after a guild has paid all its depts it can increase its available beacon pool again.

I think that approach will be rife with abuse: form a guild, spam everyone you meet with an invite, place a bunch of beacons, kick them all. Boom, infinite beacons. Also, holding players’ beacons hostage

I think a simple tweak to “beacon oveedrafting” might fix it, though: prevent any modifications to beaconed plots until the guild has enough beacon slots. Give players their beacons back when they leave

[Vastar]

@nevir

I think that approach will be rife with abuse: form a guild, spam everyone you meet with an invite, place a bunch of beacons, kick them all. Boom, infinite beacons.

My suggestion would just be an addition to @olliepurkiss system.
So this rule would still remain:

@olliepurkiss

A Guild (i.e. whoever has the correct privilege within the guild) can kick a player out of the Guild, but in doing so they give them back the beacons that they have donated. If the Guild doesn’t have enough available beacons then they cannot kick them out until they have freed up some beacons, or added some more.

[nevir]

Well, the same behavior works in reverse: recruit a bunch of friends, have them donate a bunch of beacons, and then they all leave. Keep doing that with multiple guilds. Boom, infinite beacons.

[Clexarews]

You may have missed this part of @Vastar’s suggestion:

@Vastar

This system could be extended by a rule that automatically closes guilds that have a too high dept %. (Just like the tax-office IRL)

I still see some abuse that could happen with it. Say you join a guild of 5 players with 4 of your closest friends. Donate all of your beacons, wait for the guild to use them all, and then you leave. You can basically force dismantle guilds that way. But that’s an edge case. Maybe if there’s a delay between acquiring the debt and shutting down the guild it’d allow for the guild to gather more plots to save itself.

[Vastar]

@nevir

Well, the same behavior works in reverse: recruit a bunch of friends, have them donate a bunch of beacons, and then they all leave.

This would also mean that your friends would reduce their private beacon pool since they don´t get their plots back until you´ve freed up some guild-plots. This system does not ‘gnerate’ any plots.

@Clexarews

I still see some abuse that could happen with it. Say you join a guild of 5 players with 4 of your closest friends. Donate all of your beacons, wait for the guild to use them all, and then you leave. You can basically force dismantle guilds that way.

Maybe a 24h timer could be introduced before a guilds gets “auto-closed”. So that the guild leader has a chance to reduce the used plots in and adequate amount before the guild gets shut down.

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Anyway, this is merely a rough suggestion I wrote up in less than 10 minutes so please don´t go into detail with it.
I´m sure that the devs would think about all those cases and find a solution for them if they´d decide to adapt the idea of my suggestion.

[olliepurkiss]

I’ve just moved this over to a new topic: Guilds and Beacons with some more background.

Please have a look and continue discussing there.