First off, I adore the game like I said and have absolutely zero isues how stuff like this is implemented.
But when I started I couldn’t freely reset skill points, I had to use skill reset tokens. Without spending actual money on cubits I would not have been able to do what I did back then since it would’ve severely limited what I could do. And even now after level 20 I still feel it is beneficial to players to be able to reset skills so they can do more different things early on.
Then with plotting, if you planned to have a nice settlement but don’t have enough plots yet and you see someone else coming closer and closer with massive amounts of plots you are tempted to start spending real money to protect your expansion plans.
To deny these situations aren’t clear examples of giving a leg up to people who don’t have to worry if they can buy all the groceries they need next week are absolutely crazy to me…
Sooo, again, I adore the game and have spend a lot more on it than I probably should, haha, who needs food anyway!
Sure, it’s less premium than what other games are doing. But it’s still the currency that’s bought with rl money and it’s the currency that’s used in the cosmetics shop. It can’t even be bought with in-game coin as easily as in other games, I could argue that makes it more premium than some games The acquisition method (levels instead of game currency) doesn’t matter that much. They’re just balancing the gain speed with xp instead of coin.
Funny, because I exactly feel the same way about people NOT seeing it like that…
But, I get it, p2w sounds very negative and how Boundless does it isn’t all that negative to me and apparently to people like you either.
Anyway, this is like the 10th thread that evolved into what is p2w and how some don’t see it and others do, then there are some who laugh at you since there’s no winning 'cos they see the ‘w’, etc., etc.
It always ends up the same, we all have our opinions, still doesn’t mean that people who think there are pay 2 ‘whatever’ elements in the game are wrong, delusional or crazy unless they are spouting absolute non-sense as I’ve seen some reviews do who clearly have no idea how the game actually works…
It can’t even be bought with in-game coin as easily as in other games
The key difference is “as easily”, buying rock to turn it to xp is a side effect, not something the devs designed. Most MMO’s have a dedicated UI where you can convert the in-game currency to the premium one.
I can’t see GC as a pay2win, for me it is a convivence and the cost is low so it can’t be seen as something that someone can’t get, or at least I think so.
For one time in the month don’t eat at a fast food, no Wendy’s, Burger King or other. Don’t get a coffee at Starbucks,
Don’t for one time out of a month order out for pizza, or heck, don’t buy some of the lottery tickets for those who do so, you aren’t going to win anyhow. If I had to run around and fill all the beacons I have on various planets, I wouldn’t be playing the game as it would really limit me. Some outposts are a distance from a portal, especially when the ones that were close by closed and I at times I have had to warp to them and that may cost me, but sometimes I have to.
It would be different if it was 20 bucks that can be hard for some to come up with, but not 5 bucks. And in getting plots, I just can’t see it giving a player a plus, you can create alts and get the plots and then never use them, what would be the difference, how many players have created alts so they can get plots and then just ignore them afterwards? You can’t delete them or you lose the plots they “buy” with the cubits they earned, but if you don’t need the alts it isn’t hurting you by just ignoring it.
I bought the game to win it lol it works fine I do have advantage over people not buying the game better look into this could be paytowin lol I’m just glad they stopped complaining about play early to win
Let’s not forget how many of those commenting on here have TWO or THREE accounts? This is something that is hard for developers to controls yet it is pay to win is it not?
So many perspectives on this. It’s really just like a philosophical rabbit hole. I could see what you’re saying being a disadvantage. Most of this game doesn’t have to be played competitively. Oh wait, gleam bow racing, exo planets… well I guess people who can by skill pages with a swipe of the card DO Have a advantage.
Yep, probably best if we agree to disagree here on definitions… but I’m still going to throw in my last $.02 (which with another $5 might get you a Starbucks): expanding the definition that broadly bugs me bigtime. There is a world of difference between a few little time-savers and cosmetic stuff, and the games that are relying on addictive psychological ploys. When it all gets conflated, and the internet mob starts then screaming about everything, then it is the smaller indie devs who can really take the brunt of the damage. And the flip side is, the devs who are using the psychological tricks and truly milking the fans will be able to slide more easily if we call everything by the same name.
To compare to another game I like, AC Odyssey, where you can buy a horse that doesn’t take fall damage (I admit I bought that because it looks awesome, the Pegasus), all sorts of unique weapons and armor, MASSIVE time-savers… but making a quick browse through of the reviews for that, the voices griping about that are mostly lost in the crowd. It doesn’t really stick out, seem to be on the negative reviews more complaints about boredom and grind, and overall the reviews are positive. Yet on Boundless, if I hadn’t just impulse-bought off PSN and went and looked at reviews like the one above or ones on Steam, I might have been scared off as the screaming there really jumps out. Honest critiques are one thing, but I see the griping in the Boundless reviews as more of an internet mob piling on.
But that’s just me! I’ll let this one go now, but had to add in my final bit here.
To me one of the great bonuses is that there is no real story to Boundless. That way each player if they so choose or not can create their own. I haven’t done much with it yet but I’m slowly developing lore for my five Toons and their settlement.
Sorry, I know I said I said my peace, but one more post! Thanks for posting that - totally reinforces what I was thinking: they need to make some money to keep going, and plan to do so in what I consider a very reasonable and ethical manner. They’re doing this the right way, I wouldn’t be cutting them any slack on getting my two cents and then some (though I’d still love the game of course!) if I didn’t agree with the tactics.
Not sure how much I’d use a private world, but if and when that comes, I’ll buy simply to support. Hey devs, if you’re reading this, you should let us gift stuff to other players the way ESO does: I’d almost certainly be throwing the occasional stuff to other people, at least at some point. Like giving some Gleam Club at someone needing to go away. It could create some begging though, I suppose.
The only thing I’ve really griped about in Boundless is when people wall off big areas of resources, but even then, while in theory it could be done by buying, there are better ways to handle that than not allow the buying, like a CoC change if it were to really get out of hand. Since I’ve complained about that before, I did want to clarify that - giving an alternate route to people who want to focus on simply building huge, epic stuff is a good thing, IMO. I would not want to ever take that away.
It wasn’t directed at you, even thought I might have clicked “reply” to your post by mistake.
Sorry, if I did. I meant it as a general link for everyone.
The acquisition method (levels instead of game currency) doesn’t matter that much. They’re just balancing the gain speed with xp instead of coin.
I’ll let this one go now, but had to add in my final bit here.