I’d agree, a lot of people don’t realize how much one small change in a very large system tied to an economy can have.
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Let us triple compact our advanced power coils for faster speeds. 50 advanced power coils --> 1 compact advanced power coil ; 50 compact advanced power coils --> 1 densely compact power coil ; 50 densely compact power coils --> 1 quantum power coil. Or 3 MILLION advanced power coils for a fully powered machine that converts hours to seconds.
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You have to fill the machines up with something to gain XP. The timers are not stopping anyone from using crafting to power level. People who want to do that just get more machines.
In some ways, the timers encourage that plotting whole worlds sort of behavior. If you have thousands of machines, you have to put them somewhere, and they cannot be stacked vertically. People’s bases just grow and grow and grow to hold all the machines.
Its the people who don’t want 90 bazillion machines who have this issue. I like my workshop the size it is now. I’ve got about 100 machines, and I don’t really want any more.
If we are going to balance the game around people with 10k hours of playtime, that is going to and already is causing its own issues.
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I know I type a lot lol. It’s for me as much as anyone else tbh.
Etc … but yeah honestly I think we’re on the same page here. Overall.
The difference between standing at one machine and grinding through your entire inventory vs needing to move around among tens of machines etc … is definitely an area that highlights the difference between and end-game player trying to shave off some annoyance, and a change of direction that really impacts the way new (and old, but mainly new) players will see their possible future with the game.
I would 100% not (and I’ve argued against this before) suggest that even 1 second of “dev time” should be spent considering the range of changes needed to reasonably re-develop the crafting system around further incremental reductions to appease a few (honestly crybaby) late game players.
IMO the easiest way to rebalance around it is to simply remove most of it. And while that’s something that would be a HUGE shock to the current ecosystem - it’s also something that could drastically improve the way that the target demographic approaches the game.
Yeah there’s plenty of posts on this forum of me saying that’s a silly waste of time. Even if a good part of it is buried under a lot of extra verbiage 
EDIT: After some thought, I just want to add that you won’t find many say, 5k+ hours players out here complaining about the basics of the game, or it’s mechanics.
Some participate more or less in the conversations about the direction of the game. Some would prefer to see more expansion while some would like to see more focus on the late game specifically. It’s not common to see one of them just ranting on about “how the game sucks”.
There’s a point where someone has done a lot and they just want to be left alone to focus on the thing. Whatever the thing is. It’s understandable but it’s also like the gem-wall, or any other mid-game slump. The people that have spent literal years in the game have found their own ways to deal with it.
Excessive hours/levels are not necessarily critical because by the time you’ve put in a couple hundred hours and filled up a skill page or two, you’ve definitely had a chance to take a good look at the parts of the game that interest you.
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Oh, I was referring to the comments about people breaking the economy and whatnot. To have enough materials to single handedly break the economy because crafting timers were removed, you would have to have a lot of hours in the game. At least I assume you would. I certainly don’t have enough spare materials laying around to break things, and I haven’t got the coins to buy them to break it either. Maybe other people are just much better hoarders than I am, though.
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Yeah I think this mostly just means “what I’ve been doing won’t work any more” 
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It won’t break the economy it just devalues items. If everyone can craft 5mil compact hard coal instantly or say 99% faster the value of it decreases and that goes along with every other item that the timers would affect. That doesn’t break the economy either it just changes its landscape.
Some people who would rely on selling items in shops to make coin in game would then find they would have to sell their items for way less just to turn a profit since they would be more readily available.
A prime example for me, I make so much concrete that at times when I get a bulk order, I’ll burst through kindling like there is no tomorrow. While I do have a HUGE kindling farm, I do find that I may have to buy it from time to time, if it was something that was actually crafted with almost no timers, I would have no need to buy it. Thus, it affects the economy so the people that I buy it from wouldn’t make any coin or as much.
EDIT: I also may buy kindling because I’m just lazy sometimes. 
I know you weren’t speaking specifically to me, but I don’t want to see development done on the timers as I don’t think that if they removed them or dramatically reduced them that it would draw in more players or retain more.
This is why most games push out content much faster than fixing non-game-breaking bugs. More content would bring more players in and retain more players, but that NPE may not be game-breaking, but it is enough to frustrate a new player to the point they want to quit. I have seen it happen to 30 or so people now. Game breaking? Nah… but damn is it something that would really help new players stick around.
The timers wouldn’t affect me either way, I’m in no rush. Most people won’t be either, unless they need coin, which would be harder to come by due to a devalue in all items.
All good. Moving on.
While I agree that reducing crafting times dramatically or removing them altogether would devalue items, I am confident it would be negligible. I think you’re dramatically overvaluing crafting times as impetus to enter the marketplace instead of the primary impetus which is simply the gathering process for the materials. I consider the latter the primary and overwhelming reason people buy things instead of making them themselves.
I don’t think that if they removed them or dramatically reduced them that it would draw in more players or retain more
I am 100% confident it would do exactly the latter part. I can know this because I personally know of several people who either paused or completely left the game in large part because of the arbitrary blockade that is crafting timers.
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At this point, almost better to make a Boundless 2 at this point.
I think this topic has overstayed it’s welcome at least for me. I’ll semi-graciously bow out now.
People keep stating the same things here.
There is nothing wrong with the crafting timers. Plan your crafting better or let somebody else do it.
All the other suggestions were made already.
There are far more other urgent things to look at by the DEVs than adjusting crafting timers.
I will repeat this message again and again if people state the same thing over and over again in this topic.
So please stop complaining about crafting timers or contact the DEVs directly !
(Your complaint is clear by now Dhusk)
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All good. We’ll just keep up a terrible NPE then I guess.
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The thread wanders a bit, it’s probably fine.
Main reason being when this thread dies, we’ll have another in 10 - 14 days 
We are all entitled to our opinion and should be able to freely publish our views without the need of someone having a go at them.
At the end of the day:
They have failed to deliver advertised content, a timeline for future Developement and most importantly failed to communicate updates to the community for close to 2 years.
If they are happy with the current state of the game, that’s ok just communicate it and move on. If they are working on something exciting say it’s in development with a soft release date.
They setup a Feedback section on the forums to ask the community for suggestions ect that they would love to see in game, yet it goes unanswered for years? If it’s funds or time that are lacking why not consider pushing the game to open source so the community can freely create and contribute new items/textures/mobs ect to James for consideration.
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I agree, but going on about it for 4 days bumping the same topic again and again just to make sure people read it hoping they start agreeing with him is just too much for my taste.
I am also entitled to say something about it and he did cross a line.
He made his point here and even started ingame complaining about it. Sorry but that has to stop.
I will report this, maybe they can close this topic.
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Doesn’t like the opinion. Reports it. News at 11.
It’s an open forum and as long as I’m not personally attacking anyone, I’m entitled to share my game-related opinions freely both in-game and out. Deal with it.
EDIT: In fairness, Prozee, it took almost 4 days for my coal to finish crafting. I had a lot of time on my hands as a result.
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How would you suggest that people express that they disagree with the premise of a suggestion, if not to discuss it in the thread where it was posted?
This just made me laugh so hard right now. I mean in light of the things that have been put on this forum oh MG.
I’ve skipped a few of these threads so when this one suddenly blew up with like, 50 posts in a couple hours or something, one thing became clear - More people than dhusk wanted to talk about this right now. You could mute the thread.
This has probably been the wierdest version of this thread in a long time. And I’m usually on the other side of the fence. Was previously, so I guess there’s that to your argument, though as I’ve actually added quite a lot to this iteration of the argument, I mean I’ll take some of the heat for that.
But, clearly not just “ditch the timers” because after some actual discussion on the topic, nobody really wants that set of problems, even probably dhusk. I’m … not speaking for anyone else here, of course.
There’s a rebalance to consider and etc … and I never really pushed for just amputating a whole system before but in the right light it’s an interesting idea. IDK we can maybe just have one crafting machine at the end of the operation and we’ll rename it “The Creation Station”.
EDIT: I know just more words but I’m not trying to be clownish or just push things “over the top”.
I heard players say it wasn’t worth it before I knew who dhusk was. Not many and “yeah not the right game for you then” seemed like a reasonable answer.
However it’s been a while now and clearly if there’s going to be some sort of revival, some drastic change might be good. This is a deterrent to the type of players that many people seem to think boundless needs.
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No issues with someone disagreeing with someone’s suggestion but more that telling someone to stop complaining I feel goes against the CoC as stated >> You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people Please avoid:
- Name-calling.
- Ad hominem attacks.
- Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.
- Knee-jerk contradiction.
Instead, provide reasoned counter-arguments that improve the conversation.
Anyways each to their own I guess.
/salute
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