I enjoy forging because the outcome on a good forge is absolutely rewarding but I guess I hear your point too and thats what makes forgers few and far between anymore
Technically vigor catalysts’ function is not making it a ‘clean slate’, it just converts active buffs and debuffs to vigor. Any forging done is still there.
Rather, decon resins would be making your item a clean slate 
The non-pure compounds would be much more powerful if the forge didn’t roll defects/quirks for compounds that don’t add those imo. Things like reduction compounds barely if not ever get used already as of now, there would be even less reason to do so.
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Lmao i kno ur right kokuma lol, I guess I was just trying to pinpoint a small problem they could fix to make it a little more reasonable
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I do agree the forge can be very unreasonable at times… tho my problems with it is mostly the gums.
less than 2% chance to get a glow boon, yet happens far too often 
Kinda why I simply refuse to forge slingbows. Anything else I can put up with, but that 16 boon type monstrosity with gums that have 4 boons associated with it is just something i refuse to work with.
Lol and that’s why the decon 3’s are the most used ingredient in boundless history. Thank God for decon 3’s! But sure gets tedious when ur 2 boons in the right direction only to be slumbed by the last freakin 1 for like 85 tries in a row haha
Makes you just wanna set the keyboard ablaze sometimes! 
Well its nice some people are able to enjoy it, Unforunately for me the level of RNG wears me out to the point that by the time I am done forging, I am too worn out to enjoy any reward it may offer and it in fact makes me want to go play a different game.
“And even when I have a chance to win, I lose because it’s random. Like it’s up to random chance sometimes, and I hate random chance, because I hate when it’s just not entirely dependent on skill, because that means that no matter how hard I try, it’s every possibility that I could lose every single time if it’s random, and I don’t like that.” - Markiplier
I completely hear where your coming from, I think I’m down to like 2 forges per day cuz the outcomes are just too terrible anymore. If they don’t help out and hear us when we cry for help, unfortunately the forge might become a thing of the past 
And augments might creep into the spotlight
Forging IS only luck to get the right boons what you want or Need and this is the Most terrible Part of IT everything ealse is Just how to know to Forge .
Its ridiculous to get boons which are Not from the glue you used thats the point i have No understanding for. Thats the only Thing that Has really to be fixed.
Thats the point why only few people are forging because of the luck you Need in forging.
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I think if folks sold more defected <sic> items at knockoff prices, they would be surprised at how many folks would buy them because they can’t afford the more expensive non-defected <sic> items.
That’s not a slight, by the way … when ( / if 
) I ever do start to forge in anger, I’ll definitely be doing so in order to sell as cheaply as possible. 
I will second the notion that I was also surprised back in the day when I first use Pure Boon while having Defect/Quirk points.
I was like …“Hmm Okay, I have some defect points…but I will switch over to my pure boon so that I can avoid that”
Having more then one boon item takes up extra slots, so it does limit your options. However, yea, it doesn’t do what you would think.
Ya the only time you actually get the boon your looking for almost everytime is by stacking like 5 gums, but who in the heck has the vigour to do that lol?? And I agree with the defected gear, if you like cheaper prices on defected AOE hammers, you should go take a gander at my little mini Paragon shop on Arie in RTG. Those hammers been sitting there for quite a while and if I go any cheaper then I will actually be losing money and cannot afford to forge for others anymore.
I think its the newer players that don’t understand that “critical effect defect” on hammers doesn’t effect the hammers performance at all, and that “energy defect” can be reversed by eating a starberry pie while mining, which who doesn’t already know that right?? Lol every miner eats a dang starberry pie before mining so they can machine gun mine without stopping to re energize every 4 seconds
So I classify those hammers as “still pretty dang good” in the 8k range on my shop stands but the “dura defect” hammers i have at 6k i believe which i think is still pretty darn fair if you ask me. Those are all higher end forges so if these never sell, then idk what else to do about it, because the forging process has already been nerfed and it doesn’t sound like devs are interested in changing anything
Might just go back to forging for myself, less stress
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I’ve only been playing for around three quarters of a year, but I didn’t know any of this … and have zero idea of what a “critical effect defect” is … hehe … but I appreciate what you’re saying, nonetheless.
Just mention it because not everyone takes on information the same way, mate. 
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Didn’t mean any harm lol, maybe came off kind of growly sorry about that. Just felt it was perfect time to mention such a thing and just wanted to put it out there to try and help. “Critical effect” is more geared toward slingbows for weapons, tbh i think its just a neusence on the hammer side of things as a bogus defect and it sucks because newer folks see defects, and they usually run the other way and say, “that person stinks at forging” haha, maybe not tho idk…
I wish non forgers could actually see what it takes to try and get good quality forges so they don’t take forgers for granted. (Not talking about everybody) but just seems to me that people want “no defects” “no quirks” all the time, and its getting harder and harder to accomplish that
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Don’t worry, didn’t think that you did. 
Just thought I’d mention it was all.
Thanks for the info, though.
Np, glad I could help
I dont buy equipment with defects unless i know the defect wont affect what im using it for, but the day/night, wonky triggers, mob aggro, slippery ground, ones that make new players go “im not buying trash”
I wouldnt sell equipment with defects because i wouldnt want people thinking thats the sort of stuff i sell.
I would create and alt and then sell my stuff with defects at DK’s Mall… under a totally different name… also not in my guild.
Well if you can crank out high end stuff 9 at a time all the time with no defects/quirks, then I commend you my friend
I am a lone wolf, so no guild for me. I like doing things on my own and I’m not embarrassed to sell defected tools but thats just me. If I was rich, I would not worry about losing mats all the time but I work incredibly hard for my stuff and losing it so easily because of wonky forge rng and other things is hard to swallow sometimes.
I would rather have defects with high speeds and high damage at discounted prices rather than quirks with low speeds and wonky things that make using the gear a complete nightmare, but hey, to each his own
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Call me crazy, but i would rather play a game where you start out making wonky things and as you level up can start cranking out high end stuff…
Even with out defective gums there is zero “skill” in playing the forge slot machine as far as im concerned its basically gambling (could we get some casino games then).
you can sort of influence the outcome but unless there is only 1 thing on that you are still flipping coins and opening loot boxes to get your Hammer #1 or hammer #2 with the only difference being which boxes get checked.
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I completely agree with you @xyberviri, that’s why I guess we have to keep pushing devs to tweak the forge just by a little bit (not eliminating rng all together) so it becomes a little more skillfull and not just a game of roulette.
Thats why I mentioned what I did in my OP because just a few little things like that could completely change the game and not destroy everything they built for us
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Just get me to come back. I will show you how to do it properly
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