Ok wow… I didn’t actually expect the 350% option to be so bad! And I also didn’t expect the mutation option to be quite so good, I only use that to mutate to the colour I want before I go to the 220% setup (the 65% crop is really just a little bonus as it is quite often in a colour I’m not targeting anyway).
But basically I think @Stretchious has the right attitude. Pigments are something to be accumulated over time until you can do what you want with them, this is the highest level form of farming so it’s going to be time consuming and not for those with little patience.
Oh and just another little thing I’ve found that might help people…
A friend wanted 106 weary mustard paint for a particular job. I was able to make this for him with approximately 50 weary mustard pigment and an assortment of other random pigment colours in the other slots, just not enough of any of them to actually change the resulting dye colour.
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This is not a good idea and can go horribly wrong, see further discussion in thread below
And further on from this too… I’ve made 50 dyed mosaiic by painting 30 refined sedimentary and then using another 15 assorted colours of refined sedimentary to make up the numbers to 45 and doing a mass craft this way.
If you are focusing on mutation to a specific color it’s always better to use the max seeds possible then use the kernel of the right color on the rock layout to get more yield from it.
Agreed. The best mutation happens when you also have the maximum iterations for trying to mutate. My current setup is like 274/80 or something, so I get a pretty solid mix of both yields
The crafting result colour is randomly picked from the inputs, weighed by the counts so in 30/15 case there’s a 33% chance it won’t be the colour you want. Or was this changed recently?
OK I wasn’t aware of this, fortunately it didn’t go one of the other 8 colours I had in the stack!! haha
But couldn’t you simply overcome this by just checking the crafting queue to ensure it says the right colour? And if it does choose the wrong colour simply cancel the craft and re-queue until it is correct?
Ok yeah I just had a quick read through that entire thread and I’m glad I got lucky, I guess stacking the odds in my favour with 8 different colours rather than just 15 of one other random colour helped my odds. I might have to experiment with some trash colour blocks in 50/50 ratios to see if the colour listed in the queue is ever wrong.
Mathematically it doesn’t matter if you used different colours rather than just one extra, there’s still 45 cards in the deck and 30 of those are the colour you wanted. Then you draw one and see what the result is
No idea since the display was just changed, I’m assuming it’s the first one that was used when the machine went looking for materials to use. When you right click an item in the queue you now see the specific material piles that were used to initiate the craft, probably just the top one of those. Somebody could confirm this? But this is getting off-topic, sorry for spamming the thread!
I have had this mix method backfire on me before, getting worse as the split reaches 50/50. I know it shouldnt make a difference, but I got the colour i wanted more often (read: havent messed up yet) when I keep the desired colour at above 2/3 and instead cut it with 3 or more other colours.
As I said statistically it shouldnt make a difference, but having more colours has worked well for me so far or RNGsus has been on my side.
Just as a quick note to this, the queue display is random. It isn’t absolute and it will actually cycle between colours used (based on probability, I’m assuming) if you keep re-checking it by opening/closing the machine interface.
I’ve done many split stacks in the past in an attempt to multiply gleambow gleam. Thanks to my latest (failed) attempt at this for goo mutation purposes, I believe that things are still working as they were before.
OK I just did a quick experiment. I stacked 2 rocks of 9 different colours and queued and cancelled several times. In each case it picked a random colour from the selection as the resulting tint in the queued output description while the list of colours in the detailed description remained in the same order I had them stacked every time.
I’m going to do 3 crafts like this with my 3 smart stacks mixed in different orders and see if I get the same result as the description says each time.
@anon69675157 Ok so the queued colour is chosen at random (based on probabilities) and then the final result is again another random result (based on probabilities)… hrmmm seems odd that it wouldn’t just calculate the resulting output once rather than doing both when it is queued and when the craft ends… I would of assumed it would only do this calculation once.
Edit: OK so here’s something I’ve never noticed before… everytime I go into the queue and then close the crafting window and then open it again to the queue the reported colour changes to one of the 9 random colours in the stack… lol, so yes the result is any of the 9 possible colours I have in the stack. Well I’m going to have to scrap that idea then!!!
Ok that is awesome! I see the “seed extreme in rock” setup calculates to be the most efficient by a small margin however taking 3 times as many growth cycles as the “sown in rock” setup.
More cycles however would mean more random mutations which would be detrimental if you were targeting a specific colour pigment right? Is the random mutation chance a known percentage?
