Old player returning, but also leaving

Ok, here we go, my turn (Mesa / Ino in game).

First, in response to the talk about player numbers:
Whiler player numbers are certainly important, its not even that important at this point, seeing as we would need a LOT more players than we have, to make an actualy difference for the sustainability of the game.
If you are in the game, on this board, and in this thread, and you are not just here to troll, then its because you care, and if you care that much, you have already read the replies from Square, laying out completely clearly, that the game isn’t sustainable as it stands right now.

On top of that Wonderstruck left the game to work on something that made more (financiel) sense for them, and have completely ignored all they possibly could since then on Boundless. (except must do support and maint). There’s a lot to be said about this behaviour, finacielly sound or not, and i think a lot of our frustration stems from this alone. The lack of communication, and in the end, the lack of honesty.
It wasn’t just about the ā€œgood offerā€ from Larian, and that they would come back and pick up where they left off with Boundless once that job was finished. It was also about Boundless simply not being what it needed to be, and with no real chance of that changing in the short term. It would require massive changes, that would likely bankrupt the team/James. Something had to be done to make some money, and quite fast.

So theres no real point debating the player numbers, because it doesnt matter if its 10, 100 or 1000. We need a LOT more than that to have a big enough pool of players spending money, for it to be a ā€œsafe betā€ for Square.
It doesn’t help that 100 people spend a lot of money for a few months and gets it ā€œfloatingā€, it’s still not safe for Square (or Wonderstruck that matter). It needs to be so far above cost each month, that it’s worth putting more time into, and right now it just isnt.

The hole model needs to change, that much Square also made quite clear, and changing the model, would require Dev time, and well, we don’t have that. On top of that, Square has no idea what would need to change, that much they also made clear, and they even said they had lots of talks about specifically that with James and the team, and never came up with a solution.

Now, while Square stated that they fully ā€œunderstandsā€ the choice James made to move the team on to more profitable tasks, i would certainly not just stand by indefinitely, paying for a game that isn’t making money, while the games Dev team is off making money for them selves elsewhere.
So it’s a mexican standoff.
Either Square pulls the plug and we get a ā€œX months noticeā€ on the servers, or James brings the team back and makes huge changes to the entire model of the game, to make it more profitable.
There might be a few other options in there to consider, like scaling the servers back (10 perms, rest rentals, or making it a pure single player game, but both would require dev time too).

It’s sad but true.
Many of you have said something along these lines for many months now, and most of you have caught flak for it, being called trolls, or too negative or the likes, but the above is simply just facts.
Facts provided by Square them selves now, in a thread on this very board. Denying that the game is dying, and boarderline already dead, is just fooling your self.

So im enjoying the game as best i can, for whatever time we have left. I quit the game back when James did, cause well…ya know… and recently came back to my favorite game of all times, something i suspect a lot of os share, making this such a hard pill to swallow.

I’ve been wanting to make this post for many months, but seeing the flak posts like it have gotten, i just couldnt be bothered. However, i felt it was time to chime in.

RIP Boundless, my favorite game of all times, i will play you until they close your servers.

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I’m not sure where all the Flak comes from really on either side of the coin. On one side people defend the game they love and on the other side people defend the game they once loved and their reasons for leaving … I never held any ill-will towards either side as most points are warranted.

The game and it’s current state and really it’s future is pretty besides the fact for most of the people that still play. We just play… there are a few people that I could name that are like me and want to save things for others… like buying another players shop full of goods so they don’t sit and rot in reclaim never to be touched again or are just being saved in case James swoops in like Superman and saves the day.

Just play the game if you love it… and move on if you don’t. Come back anytime … I, and I hope everyone else would welcome you back with open arms because that is the way it should be.

As I requested many times, if you do leave try and share whatever items you can to someone who continues to play or sell it to someone just don’t let that stuff go to waste and rot away.

Must have missed the square info. Is that on forums or external?

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Sadly I think that ther was definitely some pretty heavy flak from the staunch supporters.

Quite a few people posted effectively ā€œfk off forum lurkers, you quitā€ to a number of players. I’ve had some pretty colourful pm’s suggesting that If you can’t see the game prospering go away so it doesn’t look worse.

On the flip side some or those who were pretty much here to troll left some equally nasty stuff.

Not sure if that’s what you meant…as in err where I don’t see it, or why do they do this!! It silly. If its the 2nd. Totally agree.

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Yeah, I had missed it too.

Vex shared these links with me.

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It certainly is possible to get the player base up to a level that would sustain the servers.

According to the SE Collective guy, game sales and cubits go to maintaining servers while sovereign proceeds go to the devs. Unfortunately this means established players are mostly supporting the dev side, however I’m sure there’s profit from that itself.

I’ve heard some estimates on total public server costs that amount to a handful of sales each month. May not be all that demanding.

I’ve ramped up my mentions of the game across the Internet wherever I’m somewhat active and intend to do more to help make the game known.

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Oh yea I am sure there was plenty of FLAK I was merely stating I don’t know where it comes from when everyone on here either loves the game or once loved the game.

I mean, I kind of unintentionally made James post on the forums about Larians non-involvement with Boundless, when I was really only trying to get information from someone…ANYONE on the status of some things the community was asking about. The entire community didn’t need that information, but there was a pretty solid amount of people who did.

Anyways, to the point there were some people who deserved some of the flak given and quite a few who didn’t.

I won’t say the game is dead, but it is suffering a slow painful downfall. The Steam stats have dropped from 96 to 74 peak players over the last 30 days. I will still play regardless… but more players or some returning ones sure would be nice :slight_smile:

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Yea, those posts don’t paint a picture of long term sustainability. Almost seems James is taking all the money they can in terms of rentals while doing not much here, earning on another job and leaving square holding the can for all the costs.

that would get old really fast as a company

@Rydralain I have missed all your posts wb!

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Given I can only think of a handful of people who post their views with no apparent intention of listening to others, I’d guess it’s mostly just a classic case of misunderstanding (or at least, misunderstanding of intent) around things people feel passionately about.

Yeah, definitely not, though it didn’t sound to me like squenix is about to drop the project, which is weird.

Thanks! I’m around a bit, but am working on a new communication style on and off the forums. We’ll see how it goes.
RL is still unstable and uncertain, but I’m doing well.

I’ve been fearing this for months, now. Just started getting back into the game to help out HOST at the Raxxian Sanctuary, mostly out of boredom while I wait for other games to get released (Hollow Knight Silksong), to get out of their own dumpsterfires (WoW) or to at least share a beta launch date (Hytale).
Honestly, now that I’ve started to invest time in Boundless once again, IF the game shuts down soon-ish, I’ll be SO ANGRY.
I’ve seen people say over and over again ā€œthe game’s servers aren’t going to be shut-downā€, but I literally have 0 reason to believe them because I think that’s just wishful thinking, and it sounds the same to me as ā€œdon’t worry, the second coming of our Lord and Savior approachesā€. Truth is, the servers’ shut-down is a Sword of Damocles dangling above our collective heads.

We’re basically waiting for Wonderstruck to be done with Baldur’s Gate 3 and that is definitely going to take a while, seeing as I’m pretty sure they’re far from done with Chapter 1 on Early Access. Or they have 75% of the other chapters completed and are waiting to finish them more before releasing them. Either way, the game is NOT releasing until late 2022. Are you all ready for 2022 to be similar to 2021 in regards to Boundless? I’m definitely not.

I trully wish I could be as positive as the others, but I just can’t muster it. The best I can do is avoid reading threads like this one, it just triggers me. It also doesn’t help that some people on the forum have a tendency to think that censoring others is the best way to keep the peace. I’m actually expecting someone to flag this message as ā€˜inappropriate’ or something.

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If you liked boundless you’ll love Secret Project

Love you homie

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[OFF TOPIC]
When I tried FF14 about one or two months ago, I still had to play all the boring old content before reaching what everybody calls ā€œthe good partā€. Still not sure what ā€œA Realm Rebornā€ is, if it’s what I’ve played or if it’s what everybody says is ā€œthe good partā€. I guess it’s what I’ve played. If it is, well, lemme tell you : it sucks.
I think I went to level 10 or 12, and all the chibi/anime stuff I’ve been subjected to during my trial experience was triggering my gag-reflex non-stop. I spent hours sitting through bland and unoriginal RPG with 0 voice-acting, with some NPCs I literally wanted to punch because of how annoying their animations were, TONS of text to read, and tons of quests where I was asked to kill ladybugs and squirrels.
Plus, I started playing WoW because I liked Warcraft, not because I liked MMOs.^^
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We have started to build Brown Town again in the hopes that we can bring our people back. We will run hunts when we can and we will maintain some kind of presence to provide for newer players, less confident players. We did not intend to come back, but it made me sad watching the game die slowly. We are hoping this last ditch will bring people together at least.

If you’re leaving with the view to return, please know you are very very welcome to come build with us on Ceph.

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Can somebody pick up that phone? Because I called it!

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Well, this forum is supposed to be all age friendly so probably more how you said it rather than what you said.
You can edit your hidden post ofc, to bring it in line with the coc.

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