Release 196: Meteorite Lives!

[Raziels01]

@Zina This is maybe the Last Chance to get something out of your head before they seal the deal. And i for myself will not accept to be ignored in these last days.

But i totally understand you, they just are doing their job and we maybe do not see the forrest for its trees.

But man, i put Over 900 hours into this Game and a lot of those hours just to fix the “Broken Claim” issues and helped newbs and so on, to just get ignored by the Devs now. This Feels really nice

I for myself won’t stop flaming till someone official has the grace to atleast answer my former posts

[Aridhol]

I never said it wouldn’t be possible, I only said it would be harder.

Why does everyone hate a challenge?

If oort is rarer, you will have to be smarter with your use of it, and if you want a huge portal hub you will have to work harder to fuel it

Where is the problem? Seems like everyone wants to do everything but not work for it. That’s bad gameplay for an MMO. There has to be challenging content or people will get bored fast

Now, I already said it might be too low. I’m not in charge of the balance of all this. But I don’t mind a challenge!

[Raziels01]

@Aridhol
If you consider the farming for everything else, its not a Challenge, its just pure Work… If i’d wanted to do the same thing over and over again to just keep my stuff running, i’d apply for a Factory Job and don’t play a Game…

[james]

So I assume this has nothing to do with the naming of the character and in some form or fashion those names we used (case insensitive??) will just be assigned to us somehow.

No quite sure I understand the question here. But all your current character names will be reserved for you when the new Universe is live.

In regards to the cleanse point issue, here is one thing you might take into consideration on why you should find a way to adjust the “must purchase via cubits” to include some other form or fashion where characters are at least gifted some to reset themselves without purchase:

The tutorial and initial game play requires you to get certain “crafting” skills to do things like make torches, doors, etc. So a player really does need to put points into crafting because of the game flow even though maybe they don’t want this player to build a true “builder”. No one will be that happy to then have to spend cubits to respec ourselves.

Since we are in a “new universe” this isn’t a matter of easily finding another player to be “the builder” or going to a shop to buy the stuff. So it is kind of a catch 22 situation that almost all people are in due to no cities, shops, large player base, etc.

Plus like I said the tutorials kind of direct you that way so you will basically just follow the steps and then spend points you will regret later on. Please figure out some way to give us free cleanse points not related to cubits in some form or fashion as we level characters to allow for mistakes or situations we cannot easily control.

We’ve been actively discussing changes in this area over the past few days. We fully understand that new players need an ability to experiment and learn the skill system when they’re still new to the game. It’s a big concern and we’re trying to find a solution that is clear and feels positive for all players.

Roughly options are:

1. Always award 1x cleanse point per level up. (Enough?)
2. Allow infinite cleanse points until the player hits a particular level. (Although there are concerns about this being abused with Alts, and losing the free resets may seem like a punishment.)
3. Gifting a collection of cleanse points early in the game, but this doesn’t mean they’re not wasted.

We’ve yet to find a solution we’re particularly happy with.

[Zina]

Where is the problem? Seems like everyone wants to do everything but not work for it. That’s bad gameplay for an MMO. There has to be challenging content or people will get bored fast

very true, without challenge , games die. Ever plugged in a cheat to get the best of everything, then quit playing the game?

[james]

Light sources are no longer given. You must craft torches if you want to see at night.

But night doesn’t fall until you can craft torches.

(We switched away from freely gifting the Light Cube simply because it needed to be free but was still useless - so it wasn’t really doing the job of making sure players were comfortable spawning into the game at night. The simplest solution (but can appear a little strange) is just to lock the day / night cycle to day until the player is ready to experience night.)

[Raziels01]

@james Okay, so if you never get the ability to craft Torches, its Day Forever?

[MinerDiggerMan]

Always award 1x cleanse point per level up. (Enough?)

That seems like the simplest solution. Give a free cleanse point every level until level 10 or so, then a free point every 5 levels after that. Something like that.

[Raziels01]

Even Simpler, Reset Costs 10000 Coins at Sanctum Dude. Boom Problem Solved.

[GreyArt247]

How about 1 free skill reset per month and 2 skill point resets per level?

Edit: with skill point resets capped at 5 so you can at least modify epics

[Kirinvar]

It really worked well for me without the the light cube.
Basic Torches are cheap enought to craft and don’t require a skill to unlock.
And it cleans up the tutorial nicely which I perceived very positively.

[MinerDiggerMan]

The simplest solution (but can appear a little strange) is just to lock the day / night cycle to day until the player is ready to experience night.)

This is counter-intuitive. It may be simplest to implement, but it leads to more confusion and inconsistency when you’re gating major features of a game that are already familiar to players from years of Minecraft and similar games.

[james]

I for myself won’t stop flaming till someone official has the grace to atleast answer my former posts

Which post?

[schasm]

Roughly options are:

1. Always award 1x cleanse point per level up. (Enough?)
2. Allow infinite cleanse points until the player hits a particular level. (Although there are concerns about this being abused with Alts, and losing the free resets may seem like a punishment.)
3. Gifting a collection of cleanse points early in the game, but this doesn’t mean they’re not wasted.

How does one abuse 2? Are cleanse points account-wide? I figured they were character based so if you get them on an alt it’s only relevant if you care for that alt. (And you have to buy an alt.)

I prefer 1. but I think you could do a hard limit too so that you can’t store too many and avoid resets, and you get enough to tidy up mistakes.
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As an aside, running through the tutorials on testing I’m struck by the equipment dropping out of hand slots is still there and how much friction it adds to the early game experience.

[james]

@james Okay, so if you never get the ability to craft Torches, its Day Forever?

There is a point where the day / night cycle starts ticking and it’s roughly when you can craft a torch, ie. you’re ready to face night. (I’d have to look at the game code to know the exact trigger.)

[Raziels01]

Release 196: Meteorite Lives! Which is a Pissed of Collection of Everything else you ignored over the last Months

[schasm]

Torches and other items similar shouldn’t be unlocked via skill points

I made a basic torch just fine without putting points into any crafting skills.

[Kirinvar]

shouldn’t be unlocked via skill points

they are not.

they should be standard items

they are!

man, you should really play the game, it would answer like half of your questions.

[Venuil]

Roughly options are:

1. Always award 1x cleanse point per level up. (Enough?)
2. Allow infinite cleanse points until the player hits a particular level. (Although there are concerns about this being abused with Alts, and losing the free resets may seem like a punishment.)
3. Gifting a collection of cleanse points early in the game, but this doesn’t mean they’re not wasted.

We’ve yet to find a solution we’re particularly happy with.

Each new character created gets 1 full reset, and 2 cleanse points. Starting at level 5, you get 1 cleanse point every 5 levels. That’s it. This should allow some experimentation, but it’s mostly there for mistakes made. Anything else should require cubits.

[james]

That seems like the simplest solution. Give a free cleanse point every level until level 10 or so, then a free point every 5 levels after that. Something like that.

It’s definitely simple. But it doesn’t allow for experimentation.

Each Level you’re given 2 skill points and (say) 1 cleanse point. This means that you can only correct 1 preview selection. This is a fine solution is we want people to modify their selection. But it doesn’t allow them to truly experiment.