Rework the name and shame rule

What is ambiguous about it? it seems fairly clear to me, and for the most part, standard for the type of forums I am used to.

I will draw your attention to the word Defamatory, Which name and shaming happens to be defamation when it happens before conviction, which in this case would mean, before a dev punishes a player, We are not able to get absolute proof of a crime, and since things can be forged or taken out of context or misunderstood, the devs are the only ones that can get absolute proof, also the devs are the ones allowed to judge the proof, we are not, so name and shaming of any kind before the devs agree and confirm the report, is defamation.

This is also redundantly covered by the word libellous in that statement,

Then there is the word Abusive, Name and shaming is Harassment which in turn is Abusive.

I think this makes it pretty clear and not ambiguous at all.

This I feel is conjecture due to confirmation bias, We don’t have access to all the reports that have been made and how fast they are actually reviewed and reports can be reviewed with out a punishment being deemed as needed, and due to the lack of a ticket system It can be hard for the public to try to keep track of their own reports. So you are most likely only seeing a very small part of the data.

yes, and I know EVE online allows it as well, but that is up to the game designers to decide how they want punishments to happen, The devs clearly want full control over it and want to take the more standard approach. because it is not with out its faults and it can create other problems.

Or they take the screenshot as fact the moment they see it and the damage happens, when that person is innocent. also anyone can also claim that, that player did not do that, and that it was X. Players do not have access to log files, and it is a known fact that humans can make bad witnesses to crimes and fail to remember everything or remember things incorrectly.

This is the type of situation the devs and most other game designers do not want to have happening, it is open to abuse.

You cannot rework this, as Name and shaming is a type harassment, You want to Legalize a type Harassment? Forge a screenshot of someone you don’t like, or find some way to get a screenshot that can be misunderstood by the public when the right lie is told with it, and now you are given a pass to harass them by trying to damage their reputation and make them feel unwanted to play the game? Really? This is much more harmful to innocent players then it is to the guilty ones.

Any rework that allows even conditional name and shaming opens up the door to types of harassment. People like drama and people like to jump the gun about Drama.

Yes something needs to change, I told you where the problem is and therefore what needs to change in my 1st rebuttal. The Fact there is no Player Behavior Specialist, And The Fact there is no Ticket System for reports.

What doesn’t need to change, is giving the general public more ways to create disinformation about players either on purpose or by mistake. and enabling a „Legal“ way to harass that player in a very specific

This is an example of Naming, It is not an example of Name and Shaming. simply taking a picture of someone or something is not Name and shaming unless that picture and/or statement actually contains something to shame the player about.

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