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You can’t define abuse. if you do, then people do the minimum to be above that abuse. If you raise the bar then you start punishing innocent people.

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All that needs added is user definable sorting, and then this won’t be so much of an issue.

Or the ability to scroll to the next 16 listings.

Or both.

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Wow u do little with ps hub u guys flip out and now you taking this approach flip out everyone

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I have no intention of doing what’s in the OP heh

Would not a simple solution to this be allow the player searching to determine the number of stand numbers listed? For example if I want Timber and the top 16 people are selling it pretty cheap but they only have like 11 or 15 pieces what good is that? Perhaps number 25 selling things much higher has 14,000 sitting there I as the buyer would like the option until about that.

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Just a quick question about abuse. What is it? Well we’ll not know until we see it. But during development we could fairly easily think up strategies where the system could be abused. These were very quickly non-trivial to protect against.

But given that the scanner offers much to the majority of players we concluded we wanted to proceed with the system - knowing that it could be abused - and protect it via black listing.

I’d encourage players to not manipulate beacons to artificially change the rankings.

But likewise - we included a patrons counter - so that players could chose themselves to target “popular” shops.

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Could we control the number of listings we see? Let it default to 15 or whatever but let us have option to search All if we wish?

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abse - use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.

it really seems cut and dry to me but it’s not my business how ya’ll want to spend time dealing with that stuff, A lot of us thought we’d get an option to sort by volume, maybe thats down the road.

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This is against the rules.

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You guys better not :sweat_smile:

i mean… what if it’s 15 different accounts that all have their own twitch streams showing children playing the game?

Well, if they are all coming from the same M.A.C. and IP address…then you’ll know. I would also think that’s a most extreme case which would only get you somewhere in games like WoW or Warframe - good luck laundering your plat lol

Not really sure there’d be a point to going to that much trouble here yet

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I can read. Thanks. I just disagree . There are smart people making this game and there are smart people playing it. Acting like we can’t discern intention or motive is just a way to avoid. It’s already been said that locking items up is not allowed. You have motive right there.

If this is how this system is going to be handled then it’s going to be just headache after headache like the plot system has been to deal with.

If ultimately I just have to run around all over again that’s what I’ll do but acting like we can’t discern motive is inexcusable.

i mean nordvpn is easy enough

Yes, there are plenty of ways to do whatever you want to. There’s always a way around something. I guess if someone wants to go that much trouble…

On Beckon, I am lowest price on just about everything already, well what’s left in my shop after a month of not being online :sweat_smile::wink:

Cute :wink: haha

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I mean there’s overlap between abuse cases and valid cases right? If all the inputs are the same, but one case is intended abuse, and one case is lack of knowledge, then intention is not discernible right? or am I missing something?

wasn’t trying to be rude. sorry :frowning: Just pointing out what I see to be a direct contradiction to help us both understand where the gap between our opinion lies. to further the conversation. Was not meant to be negative I’m very sorry for this.

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I don’t understand why there was a need to make this post. Wether you like the new update or not why put out something that would potentially create more problems for the community and the devs? There are plenty of other ways the issues you have could of been addressed without telling people how to manipulate system. Most likely some would of done it even if this thread didn’t happen but it sure doesn’t help. Even if only one person does what you said because they learned it from here it’s one more thing the devs have to take time to deal with that they shouldn’t have to.

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