I think 13k is a good price for a full AOE with Damage. Everybodys a critic and wants tools at a stock price. What we all have to keep in mind in how simple supply and demand effect these prices.
My forging strategy requires about 1500c to 2000c per tool in forging ingredients and thats based upon what it would take to buy all the ingredients. Iron versus Titanium is only a difference of 300 - 500c per tool. So manufactures cost of producing a tool is around 2500. Thats what everybody wants.
However with so many players still standing at the bottom of that “Power Wall” (supply) needing a little help to get to gem mining themselves, there is a large amount of people willing to pay over 10k for a regular full AOE titanium tool and that’s really all that matters (demand). People will buy at that price. Those that charge less are good, charitable people that have the public in mind. But those that keep their prices between 10k-15k for Titanium tools are good people too trying to make sure they can offest their gathering needs and purchase some of the ingredients to (try) keep a supply of tools in stock for the public. those that charge over 20k for a titanium tool…I shake my head at you.
I dont know how i feel about Gem tools being over 20k. that feels unnecessary unless it comes with pie. I would like a pecan pie with my Emerald hammer.
@Vonzehogan I think your in the rite price range. If you make some Titanium hammers maybe i’ll pay you a visit sometime.
(Shameless plug) I sell Iron AOE tools of all types for 3-5k. Saturday i’ll have a new large stock. Find me in Lacuna, Davanzatis portal behind the Boori portal on Gravidias (PS-HQ) HUB.
Im not sure yet about my price but i am (out of work hours) actually crafting all titanium tools to supply my shop. on that batch, i’ll do some forging but keep some to unforged state.
My shop is not fully filled yet. when this time comes up, i will create a post to advertise my shop! But if you want to take a look, im on Kada I.
Ultima hub–>us east–>Kada I and right out of the warp.
I’m well aware of Moonies and I promote the store and the owner on several occasions. But what you and most people don’t know about her prices is that she’s only able to pump out at those prices and volume because of the play time she has as of right now. She’s currently on college break and has the time to devote to the entire supply chain that is involved with forging. Once she gets back to her regular school schedule, the volume that she keeps at won’t be sustainable. Of course, I can be wrong as I don’t know her life schedule nor do I care to.
But I don’t think you can use her as an example of how all store owners should operate. And please keep in mind that she sells out fast and will go for days before she can restock again. This also needs to be taken into account before we should use Moonies as the benchmark for pricing strategies and how shop owners should operate.
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@deenw shouldn’t the benchmark be (bare with me here XD) a rounded or averaged price for the materials to make whatever it may be. Granted I know that the prices of the ingredients vary as well. Just a thought
I’m typically trying to price things like that, an average of material cost per mass craft and 25% premium (15% for time/spark etc and profit and 10% tax. I’ll also offer a discount on hand trade)
Of course people are free to price at whatever they want. Last night I found someone selling an intermediate ingredient for 300c less per item than I calculated my cost at so I bought all they had. Often things are way over what I’m willing to pay.
@RedDemption. Ideally yeah. But there is a level of RNGness with forging which makes it tough to average out the cost of prices and determine a benchmark. Plus, you need to really do a deep dive into a specific niche. For example, you can’t say average base price of a forged titan hammer is 10k.
But you can say, average base price for a forged AOE 3x3 titan hammer with a 30% action speed buff plus a 20% base damage buff is 10k.
But how many people do you know are focused on that specific area or have expertise close to that area? Exactly. In order to know the benchmark or competitive price, you have to have alot of experience in forging to help smooth out the RNGness of this trade. And there’s only a few people who really know this.
Because of the dynamics of forging, I find it silly to argue on price because we also haven’t factored in play time and how people run their supply chain. Some people will gather all the materials themselves. Others rely on a personal network of suppliers. This is all factored into their pricing strategy.
Ultimately, the real question that should be asked is, “How much is said forged hammer worth to you?” The market has pretty much determined that price already and from what I’ve seen, people are willing to pay a hefty sum
And a slight follow up; I don’t do forging myself. But I personally like the randomness of it and it’s really the last trade in Boundless that will have a sustainable business model for those who want to commit to it. Every other trade such as regular tools/weapons, food, and raw materials has already been determined. It will be extremely tough for both existing and new shop owners to be able to compete in a few months because of the deterministic environment of these trades. But forgers are gonna be in business for a while.
This pretty much sums it up in my opinion. It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. And at a price of 10k+ the ROI is well worth it if you use it effectively.
Yea I haven’t done any forging my self but I can imagine that there would have to be hours upon hours of studyingand comparing to make anything worth being compaired to. I was more leaning towards like a price range. Like the other day (vaguely remember) there was an emerald 3x3 and I think auto harvest and light. They were asking 52k. I think thats just outrageous.
Moonies is an exceptional shop for sure, but definitely has very random output. And just because they price so low doesnt mean other people are ripping you off. If you dont make at least double your investment, even on a 15k titanium tool, back you havent learned how to use your tools properly
I saw a dev response to a forging threadnaught and his response really sums up forging quite well. It’s a delicate balance b/w making the game fun and making it formulaic. I find it ironic that they designed the centraforge interface to look like a slot machine. Because forging can really feel like gambling
Apparently we should all be asking you about market values, considering you’re the one saying that every forger selling titanium 3x3 over 6k is ripping people off.
If you’re asking what the average price players are seeing is, just look in this thread. With the exception of yourself, there is a pretty obvious pattern of consistency.
Keep in mind, you’re generally not just paying for the materials needed to craft/forge products. Most folks will put a price on their time and labor as well.
True but trying to find a price range for time and labor can be very subjective, and at the will of whomever to decide how much that time\labor costs in their opinion.
I mean I guess I could go on to say this even coincides with materials cost ECT.
When I started reading this thread this morning my personal opinion was that 13k plus was way too expensive and 6k seemed reasonable. I’d never had enough credits to buy an aoe tool but I had 12k so I thought I’ll risk the 6k. When I got to her shop they were 7k but I thought I’d gamble.
I then went mining for diamonds. Needed 8 to bring me up to a mass craft. Ended up coming home with over 90 meaning I could mass craft two sets of workbench coils to bring me to 1500 power and I still have 43 left over. That’s over 20k in diamonds left over!
I still think 13k plus is a bit much but 6k is certainly a steal. Thus they’d all gone when I went back to buy more
