BL should follow TF2, OW and Fortnite’s lead and only do cosmetic real money transactions. I want to give the devs money but I abhor non cosmetic RMT and don’t want to support the system.
I do feel like plot buying is a form of pay2win, especially since plotting is the only PVP the game features currently, haha.
I wonder if others feel similarly? I don’t want to hurt WS’s revenue stream, but other games have shown that you can go cosmetic only and still make money. Fortnite, TF2 and Overwatch come to mind offhand as examples of games that only do cosmetics for real money.
Would you be more likely to do in game purchases if they were cosmetic only (compared to current system)? Neutral? Or the opposite (you buy plots and gleam club but would stop supporting the devs if they switched to cosmetic microtransactions only)
Current system deters me from purchasing, but I would support cosmetic only (or, I have plots and GC but would spend even more on cosmetics like clothes, hats etc) (WS gains money)
Neutral, I have gleam club / plots but I would instead buy cosmetics
I buy plots / gleam club and if they were removed I would not buy cosmetics (WS loses money)
I don’t do real money transactions and wouldn’t no matter what
I don’t really consider the plot buying to be too bad of a „pay to win“ system when there are much worse out there, and the rental worlds that are looming have the Potential to be much much more „pay to win“
I would like to see more wearable cosmetics or even cosmetics that add an special visual effect (Aura) to your Character. but because we have no armor in this game, they have really shot themselves in the foot of just how much they can offer here.
I do not want to see cosmetics that affect builds, blocks and what have you, being sold as MT. Because then that will bring in the crowd who also thinks that is pay to win. (The footfall people)
For me, the most „pay to win“ system that is in the game at this time is how the fist weapons work, I consider this to be a core PvE item, and yet it is locked behind a pay wall unless you want to buy it from someone else, and this should not be the case for a core item and will hurt new players who can’t find a good way to deal with mobs.
I have Gleam Club and plan to continue with it. But cosmetics have never really grabbed me in games. Sure, I’ll buy them in Boundless using the cubits I’ve earned but I wouldn’t buy them with IRL cash.
I don’t mind GC but plots are an importent part of your progression through the game.
I won’t call it pay to win but you sure as hell gain an advantage over others and as such plots should not be available for real money.
But the damage is done, they can’t go back now, irl money plots are out there now.
Maybe this poll instead? I couldn’t find a suitable vote option for me.
I buy cosmetics/plots with $$$ and I don’t think it’s P2W
I don’t buy cosmetics/plots with $$$ and I don’t think it’s P2W
I buy cosmetics/plots with $$$ and I think it’s P2W
I don’t buy cosmetics/plots with $$$ and I think it’s P2W
0voters
$$$ shop should be cosmetics only
$$$ shop should contain both plots and cosmetics
0voters
I have 2500 plots and I wouldn’t ever say I benefit from this. For me an issue is not option to buy plots but aggressive, abusive city region claiming.
The only issue is see is how does wonderstruck pay the bills without a consistent cash flow? They have to sell something. Would we prefer every player pay a monthly subscription? They have to offer something of value to the widest group of players. I have yet to buy a cosmetic item. I really do not care for them but I have bought cubits to exchange for plots and alts and I do pay for gleam club. I am sure.ther are players that have used purchased cubits for cosmetics.
It is one thing to say this is bad, but I think you have to provide an alternative or you are essentially saying the game should shut down.
Buying plots is not pay to win, it is more of an extra item for those who love to build. Second, what is winning in this game, the person with the most in-game money? The one with the most beautiful builds or interesting builds? The one leading the most active community? The one with the most respected shop?
Players get plenty of plots from leveling up for their shops and other income generating ideas. After selling things, prestige and number of unique visitors on owned land is what produces income (footfall). Prestige is gained either from building with expensive materials or with less expensive materials on a greater land size (possibly bought with real money) but the total material cost per unit is prestige is the same for both situations.
In other land owning building games like Second-Life land as the main server load costs real money.
I find it kinda funny that anyone considers Boundless pay2win.
From reading other posts mentioning this, I get that pay2win has expanded from its original meaning to effectively mean pay4anything.
I haven’t played Fortnite for a while, but can’t you buy Llamas (loot boxes) for real money in “Save the World.”
We definitely need more cosmetics, but please never add the Floss - that’s grounds for rage quitting.
What damage has been done from buying plots? From my understanding, the only outcome that potentially affects players, is that new planets may be created sooner due to existing ones being plotted faster. That seems to me like a positive outcome.
Maybe I don’t understand the initial poll, but I’m not sure what one is the one in which I strongly disagree with you.
If you didn’t gain cubits upon leveling then yes it would be P2W, but as it stands no boundless is not P2W. In fact boundless imo is far too generous with their cubit rewards. That’s why I don’t understand when people try to make the claim that it is P2W. You can do every aspect of this game without paying anything besides the initial purchase.
When I participate in a hunt my hunter can level 2-3 times. I don’t remember how many cubit rewards that comes out to, but it’s enough to buy plenty of plots.
Two of my favorite MMO have failed because they catered to trying to not make the game P2W. Not that they should have been P2W, but they crippled their own market by limiting their players purchasing options in there stores because they were afraid it would come off as P2W.
Even now after the free weekend I see people making suggestions that come off to me as “moving the goal posts”. A lot of the suggestion seem to be allow free play, but unlock “x” by making full purchase. I don’t understand how that is not viewed as P2W, but past ideas like reduced portal costs and backpack expansions ect are. I think one of the posts wanted to limit plot purchasing and joining guild along with 8 other restrictions.
You’re forgetting one ‘p2w’ feature that many people do which to me is more ‘p2w’ than the plot buying is:
Cubits can buy you skill reset tokens!
People with more money can keep buying more of those, especially early game and keep switching their skills around to do all the different tasks better than someone who doesn’t have much money to spend.
I know this well because even tho I don’t have much money IRL, I did buy cubits and spend most of the cubits I earned and bought on skill reset tokens…
As for your poll, well, I try to not spend too much money obviously due to not having a lot so I won’t change that no matter what those cubits can buy me. Tho have to say last time I did spend 100 euros on cubits 2 months ago was mostly spend on plots.
As for the cosmetics, in other games I do sometimes buy them but what’s been released for BL is not all that interesting to me and what also keeps me from doing it is that I can’t share them with my alts.
What would get me to spend more cubits on cosmetics? If races become a cosmetic for instance, if I can overhaul the looks of all my alts easily and more completely instead of only a few colours and some bodypaint and a thing on my head…
P2W has become to mean paying real life money for some sort of advantage doesn’t matter if it’s a multiplayer FPS game, a solo game or a sandbox MMO like Boundless is, if you can do things more easily by spending money then it’s a Pay 2 ‘somethingsomething’ which is simplified lately as to also be called P2W…
And no, I’m not going into another “what is winning with this game” discussion so I will leave it at that.
You can buy upgrade llamas with vbucks, vbucks you can buy with actual money so yes, you can buy loot boxes in StW with money…
That’s silly. No matter how many cubits you can earn in game some people will always want to have more of them either for plots, cosmetics or SKILL RESET TOKENS and then might buy them if they can afford that.
Calling a p2w mechanic not p2w because YOU do not need to buy aditional cubits with real money is a tad odd…
Isn’t using skill reset tokens essentially like having 10 characters. In fact the person with 10 characters would be better off. More free cubits more coin more skill pages
Everything is achievable in this game without spending an additional penny. I’ve only ever used the 3 free resets they give us at the beggining on one of my characters. I do not believe I’ve had to with any others, so I can’t say I understand the importance you are putting on them.
You’ve purchased those token because it was easier for you to reset on one character than it was to work multiple characters I assume. You CHOSE to do that because of convienence not because you were forced into doing it. If I am winning at whatever stage I am winning at with not having to have purchased those same tokens I don’t see how anyone else would need to purchase those tokens to conpete against me.
You previously mentioned the definition of P2W being changed. Though you may believe it has changed, I myself do not. There is no pay wall in this game. I looked up the definition of P2W Incase I was mistaken, the only time it mentions anything like you stated in online forums by players stating they do not want to spend money. No other site did I see it mention convenience. They stated it was to compete for victory at maximum efficiency. The definition can’t be changed for the sake of any one persons argument. We’d just go back and forth, each claiming it to be different from what the other is saying.
I don’t see the issue with that. So long as every player can access the content that was advertised originally or is being used for official advertisement, I’d be hard pressed to believing the game is pay to win.
