This absolutely has to be my last interaction on these forums until some positive changes are made but I feel someone needs to keep pushing for this.
There is a serious attitude issue on these forums.
I understand forums are usually not very friendly places but these really take it to another level I feel.
From people being rude when new ideas are shared to snarky comments from the people making the game, they aren’t very welcoming and don’t encourage an open exchange of ideas.
I fear the game may not be able to grow to its full potential if people continue to feel as if they are unable to share ideas and are pushed away by all of the rudeness that is allowed here.
I know this will probably get locked.
I know this will probably get “Look, another one of these posts” comments.
Maybe posts like this are popping up because there is a real issue that needs to be discussed.
Locking then ignoring the posts is not going to get anything fixed.
Total agreement. I’ve been saying there’s issues with how people act on here for a while now. But as of late it’s gotten really bad. There’s posts I won’t even comment on because I know what’ll happen.
I’m fond of this Gandhi quote:
‘be the change you want to see in the world’’
I’m afraid I don’t share your perspective. I find these forums way less toxic than most. Yes, there are a couple of negative people, and others who can be rude.
On the whole though, I find others here to be intelligent, mature and respectful.
As for the people who make this game, I can’t speak highly enough of their attitude and awareness, plus their desire to instil a happy, positive vibe in their game, and on their forums.
The forums here are extremely tame compared to pretty much any of the other game related forums I have had the pleasure of dealing with and studying. But there are rotten eggs in every basket and there is no avoiding such.
What dev response has been snarky?
You can ignore rudeness, and share your idea anyway. Why do you care how other people will respond? I don’t. If you have something to say, just post it.
Due to the way the system is designed at this time and that is outside of the control of boundless, That is how it will work until the devs hire a player behavior specialist. since they seem to refuse to Appoint any of the TL4 people as such and give them the tools to make selective punishments.
Trust me I would like nothing more then to see people who purposefully derail threads be punished as the player, and not the whole topic being punished and locked. But that is not going to happen right now.
I have expressed my dislike of locked topics in the topic I will link below
Which ironically got locked by the auto-mod for a little while.
Also from what I can tell, James has been taking a more active role in such things recently. So I am sure the very bad stuff will be removed.
I started muting all the threads that make me angry cuz I’m here to have fun, not get outraged. It really works. All I see now is posts about people opening up cool shops, figuring out what to build next, even suggestions for brand new ideas.
I agree that the problem is at the people level and not the thread level, but it’s better than nothing. Actually I bet I could write a user script to mute individual people…
I don’t know how you feel this is the case. I recommend you never join other active forums because you will not survive it.
I myself find this place has a fair mix of heated debate and friendly interaction. You can also choose not to read the lengthy and ongoing squabbling of known adversaries.
I think I asked about this when I first started, in game or one of my early posts. Being able to mute a select few people would go a long way to reducing some of the heated rhetoric some people feel the need to post with.
I think the answer was something along the lines of being an inability of the forum design itself. I know a few cannabis forums and game forums use the same forum system and the issue is prominent there as well.
I find being on forums where everyone is super polite and understanding of each other insufferable and darn suspicious.
need a bit of back n’ forth but of course it can go a bit too far sometimes
I support you, every time I think something if they do not like it they erase me and they hide publications, it looks like a private club where you can only say what they want us to say and hope you do not delete this opinion, since we can not think different
Just for the record, I’ve only been here a few months but I’ve had nothing but niceness and plenty of help off of players and other noobs alike… you’re all spot on in my books haha
Generally the start of a thread never gets locked, unless it contains something not related to the game or is out and out rude or inflammatory. This thread contains none of that, and from the replies I have seen so far has led to a fairly healthy discussion.
Unfortunately, us moderators are limited on what we can do with threads that are getting out of hand - simply put, we can either:-
try the verbal approach and warn users that the thread will be locked if whatever bad thing is happening doesn’t stop (sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t).
Select individual posts to split out of threads and merge them into another thread or create a new thread with them (this would be the preferred method of doing things, but can be very time consuming).
Lock threads and preset a time for it to reopen (good for when a thread just needs a cool off and has a good chance of getting back on track).
Lock threads completely and leave them to the annuls of time (although not always the best option, it is the quickest one - especially when a thread has been severely derailed or toxic).
There are more administrative functions available, but they are at a level (set by the forum software) where we would then have access to users email & ip addresses and other personal information. Now, as you know, us moderators are not employed by Wonderstuck and are located in various places around the world - we volunteered to try and look after the forums because we we’ve been around for a while and want to help in any way we can (in between having our own full time jobs and family etc.) - so we can’t really get access to this level of administration without implications when it comes to personal user data, GDPR and other such things. The auto-mod also falls into the same no-go area, as flags are associated with user data, so we’re unable to see them to be able to clear them and reopen threads.
From a personal perspective, I would prefer to be able to temporarily “time out” accounts of people that incite toxicity, constantly derail threads or get involved in flame wars, instead of timing out or locking an entire thread to the detriment of all previous posters. I would love to be able to have that precision, so that valid, constructive conversation can continue unabated and the bad eggs are dealt with individually. Wonderstruck do want that too and even went to the extent of contacting the developers of the forum software to ask that some administrative powers be decoupled from needing to view user sensitive information, so that we can moderate more effectively, but it was unfortunately to no avail.
I don’t understand.
This is the main selling point of the game “build an empire”.
Since when Empires are peaceful entity? There is a huge paradox here.
shutting down people fighting each other make no sense at all.
Let people express themselves if they want to go public about it. We just need a forum category.
Arguing, bragging and toxicity will happen whatever we do, because the game is designed for it. And players are aiming for it.
These forums could use a flame/no rules section so A &B can go tell each other how stupid they think the way they play is. Then everyone else could discuss in peace.
you’re all spot on in my books haha