Testing 224 - Combustion Fraction [Plant]

Kal-El · June 19, 2019, 10:12pm

Darn. Oh well.

boundmore · June 20, 2019, 12:08am

All crops have 8 stages but different tick chance.
In case of slow crops tick chance is low and statistically the lower the chance the more fails happens throughout the field of crops causing wider distribution of results.

Also, if you used fertiliser, that created even more differences over time, since it has a chance to expire with every crop tick roll. Some crops only work with fertiliser for an hour, other stay fertilised for a day. That creates bigger differences in growth speed.

fidach · June 20, 2019, 6:22am

Should each failed tick then increase the chance of the next tick being successful?

This then may result in a more consistent growth, without complete uniformity.

Eg

Crop starts with 10% chance to tick
Fails
Increases to 15%
Fails
Increases to 20%
Success
Back to 10%

As I can see for crops that take longer there is a greater chance for some just not to progress at all!

@lucadeltodecso or would this also take up too many bits per crop?

Mayumichi · June 20, 2019, 6:26am

That’s the same thing discussed in that other thread. You’d have to keep count of the failed growth attemts.

[Feedback] Testing 224 - Crop growth times

Now, crops tick once per day, and say we have a crop which we want to be fully grown in 225 days (fuel crops have this expected growth time); how would you do that? either you need to store the day that the crop was planted so that you can evaulate “current day - day crop was planted” to know how longs its been… but storing that “day” would need a “lot” more than just 5 bits, it would need more like 5 bytes since servers can live for a long time; so it would make more sense to store “how old is the crop (in days)” which involves much smaller numbers, and then each game-day when the crop is ticked, it will just increment that value. For 225 days, that requires 8 bits… but we already used 3 of them for fertilizer. Also note that the (not yet released) prestige crops have an expected-growth time as it stands of 420 game-days + a wither expected time of 1260 game-days which would mean storing a counter up to 1680 needing 11 bits…

Combustive · June 20, 2019, 10:15am

Lava has to be on the same level. Chisel the corruption to half slab and fill the free half with lava.
Also make sure that there is no rough rock on the same level, even behind the walls upto 3 blocks from your seeds, otherwise it gives you negative effect.
then you shall get the max

Mayumichi · June 20, 2019, 10:29am

This was fixed in todays’ patch.

Fallon · June 20, 2019, 1:52pm

You guys dialing in the yield metrics are doing awesome work. Not all heroes wear capes.

boundmore · June 20, 2019, 1:58pm

and not all wearing capes are heroes

Kal-El · June 20, 2019, 2:06pm

Very true

Tynker · June 20, 2019, 2:20pm

He was a hero to the Empire.

RedY3 · June 20, 2019, 2:35pm

Thanks for the info. How do you put lava in a chiseled block though? I mean no 2 blocks can occupy the same space (unless it flows down from somewhere).

Does the same apply to water (has to be on the same level with other plants)? Also, why up to 3 blocks? Is that how near “near” is to the game?

GreyArt247 · June 20, 2019, 2:52pm

If you chisel a channel in the ground you can place a liquid source block into it so effectively 2 different blocks are occupying the same space. If the channel goes across a few blocks you will see the liquid flow from one to the other.

almund · June 20, 2019, 2:53pm

Here are few screenshots of numbers before testing update and distance from rock so values are now different. I did square chisel to corruption, so there is no chance to get damage from lava.

RedY3 · June 20, 2019, 5:07pm

Thats weird. I got consistent results. Your pics show that the one farthest from the lava/corruption has the best percentages.

RedY3 · June 20, 2019, 10:27pm

Update: Ok so after the recent update, i am getting these values ( i believe i have an optimal setup ) for Combustion kernels and Kindling kernels:
Seed-chance: 0.510
Yield-chance: 1.600

Everyone got the same? If yes, now to find the most space-efficient setup. Maybe even 2 layers within the same plot just for the sake of it xD

Edit: Got only 1 plot to make a little farm? Worry not - here’s how it would look like (total 88 seeds) xD.

!

Thanks @Kal-El for the inspiration (with the diagram). If i were to expand this to several plots though, I’d build it with 1 lava line - 3 gravel - 1 lava - 3 gravel (this way the pattern continues across several plots). Anyway, this is how a 2-layer 1-plot farm would look like with some lava guards (refined gold). Some gravel blocks on the periphery had lower percentages so i placed some individual bitumens to increase their percentages (as can be seen in the pics). Some STILL retained a slightly lower percentage than the rest while others got full percentages. I still yet have to find why.

Highest percentages: Seed and yield 0.510 and 1.600, respectively. Lowest percentages: 0.500 and 1.575 respectively (3 blocks only had these percentages).

almund · June 21, 2019, 12:34am

Yes, those are old values before update when those plants didn’t like rock 3 block diameter. James did tell that some seed gain values are broken after that update.

Combustive · June 21, 2019, 1:32pm

I did not test after the update, but before, you needed to have the complete line full of lava/corruption, to get bonus for the seeds furthest from it.

I think this didn’t change.

RedY3 · June 21, 2019, 1:33pm

Its a complete line. Lava flow isn’t showing in the pic.

Ratchel · June 21, 2019, 6:04pm

Highest seed-chance I’m getting after update and just made the farm is 0.510 that’s with corruption chiseled and lava on top and 4 rows of gravel and another row of corruption with lava on top

Mayumichi · June 21, 2019, 6:06pm

Bear in mind combustion plant has a base seed chance of 24%, that’s probably not displayed in the debug info?