Something that I see no answer too currently: What happens to the plots or cubits you already have? Will these be taken away?
Silence is deafening from the Dev’s.
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This is definitely what it feels like they are doing. Even if their real goal is the honest and respectable goal of reducing the number of people who can plot ridiculous areas for free, this change is likely to come off to both old and new players alike as friction to increase revenue.
It’s frustrating they haven’t commented, but they may be waiting to see more of how the conversation goes on it’s own. If I were them, I would wait for the initial shock to fade and see what discussions come about after a few days or a week before interfering with the discussion.
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While I agree, it appears pretty obvious where it looks like it is going.
My thoughts are the longer it goes the more things seem to go down the rabbit hole. This reminds me of the whole teaching pie/rock thing awhile back.
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Oh yeah. That’s true.
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I implore people to focus on the “game mechanic” of leveling as it stands now in testing and NOT the “xp values.” No, I haven’t talked with James about the system yet (plan to ask for a call soon if release is soon) but I do know a lot of times they just put placeholder values in.
So while, it is important to mention that you don’t like the XP values make sure the other parts of the way we get it are focused on. If that is the issue we need to bring up because they can always lower that XP different or the % needed each level much easier than change “how it works”
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My shop has the prices in CHF. The biggest pack is 15000 cubits for CHF 100.-. The following table shows how much CHF the lost cubits are worth.
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| New Level | New Cubits | XP for Level | Old Cubits (for XP) | Lost Cubits (cummulative) | Lost Cubits Value in CHF (cummulative) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50 | 300 | 200.000 | 300 | 0 | 0 |
| 51 | 305 | 208.000 | 312 | 7 | 0 |
| 52 | 310 | 217.000 | 325,5 | 23 | 0 |
| 53 | 315 | 226.000 | 339 | 46 | 0 |
| 54 | 320 | 235.000 | 352,5 | 79 | 1 |
| 55 | 325 | 244.000 | 366 | 120 | 1 |
| 56 | 330 | 253.000 | 379,5 | 170 | 1 |
| 57 | 335 | 262.000 | 393 | 228 | 2 |
| 58 | 340 | 272.000 | 408 | 296 | 2 |
| 59 | 345 | 282.000 | 423 | 374 | 2 |
| 60 | 350 | 292.000 | 438 | 462 | 3 |
| 61 | 355 | 302.000 | 453 | 560 | 4 |
| 62 | 360 | 312.000 | 468 | 668 | 4 |
| 63 | 365 | 323.000 | 484,5 | 787 | 5 |
| 64 | 370 | 333.000 | 499,5 | 917 | 6 |
| 65 | 375 | 344.000 | 516 | 1058 | 7 |
| 66 | 380 | 355.000 | 532,5 | 1210 | 8 |
| 67 | 385 | 366.000 | 549 | 1374 | 9 |
| 68 | 390 | 378.000 | 567 | 1551 | 10 |
| 69 | 395 | 389.000 | 583,5 | 1740 | 12 |
| 70 | 400 | 401.000 | 601,5 | 1941 | 13 |
| 71 | 405 | 413.000 | 619,5 | 2156 | 14 |
| 72 | 410 | 425.000 | 637,5 | 2383 | 16 |
| 73 | 415 | 437.000 | 655,5 | 2624 | 17 |
| 74 | 420 | 449.000 | 673,5 | 2877 | 19 |
| 75 | 425 | 462.000 | 693 | 3145 | 21 |
| 76 | 430 | 475.000 | 712,5 | 3428 | 23 |
| 77 | 435 | 488.000 | 732 | 3725 | 25 |
| 78 | 440 | 501.000 | 751,5 | 4036 | 27 |
| 79 | 445 | 514.000 | 771 | 4362 | 29 |
| 80 | 450 | 527.000 | 790,5 | 4703 | 31 |
| 81 | 455 | 541.000 | 811,5 | 5059 | 34 |
| 82 | 460 | 555.000 | 832,5 | 5432 | 36 |
| 83 | 465 | 569.000 | 853,5 | 5820 | 39 |
| 84 | 470 | 583.000 | 874,5 | 6225 | 41 |
| 85 | 475 | 597.000 | 895,5 | 6645 | 44 |
| 86 | 480 | 611.000 | 916,5 | 7082 | 47 |
| 87 | 485 | 626.000 | 939 | 7536 | 50 |
| 88 | 490 | 641.000 | 961,5 | 8007 | 53 |
| 89 | 495 | 656.000 | 984 | 8496 | 57 |
| 90 | 500 | 671.000 | 1006,5 | 9003 | 60 |
| 91 | 505 | 686.000 | 1029 | 9527 | 64 |
| 92 | 510 | 702.000 | 1053 | 10070 | 67 |
| 93 | 515 | 718.000 | 1077 | 10632 | 71 |
| 94 | 520 | 733.000 | 1099,5 | 11211 | 75 |
| 95 | 525 | 749.000 | 1123,5 | 11810 | 79 |
| 96 | 530 | 766.000 | 1149 | 12429 | 83 |
| 97 | 535 | 782.000 | 1173 | 13067 | 87 |
| 98 | 540 | 799.000 | 1198,5 | 13725 | 92 |
| 99 | 545 | 815.000 | 1222,5 | 14403 | 96 |
| 100 | 550 | 832.000 | 1248 | 15101 | 101 |
| 101 | 555 | 849.000 | 1273,5 | 15819 | 105 |
| 102 | 560 | 866.000 | 1299 | 16558 | 110 |
| 103 | 565 | 884.000 | 1326 | 17319 | 115 |
| 104 | 570 | 901.000 | 1351,5 | 18101 | 121 |
| 105 | 575 | 919.000 | 1378,5 | 18904 | 126 |
| 106 | 580 | 937.000 | 1405,5 | 19730 | 132 |
| 107 | 585 | 955.000 | 1432,5 | 20577 | 137 |
| 108 | 590 | 973.000 | 1459,5 | 21447 | 143 |
| 109 | 595 | 992.000 | 1488 | 22340 | 149 |
| 110 | 600 | 1.010.000 | 1515 | 23255 | 155 |
| 111 | 605 | 1.029.000 | 1543,5 | 24193 | 161 |
| 112 | 610 | 1.048.000 | 1572 | 25155 | 168 |
| 113 | 615 | 1.067.000 | 1600,5 | 26141 | 174 |
| 114 | 620 | 1.087.000 | 1630,5 | 27151 | 181 |
| 115 | 625 | 1.106.000 | 1659 | 28185 | 188 |
| 116 | 630 | 1.126.000 | 1689 | 29244 | 195 |
| 117 | 635 | 1.146.000 | 1719 | 30328 | 202 |
| 118 | 640 | 1.166.000 | 1749 | 31437 | 210 |
| 119 | 645 | 1.186.000 | 1779 | 32571 | 217 |
| 120 | 650 | 1.206.000 | 1809 | 33730 | 225 |
| 121 | 655 | 1.227.000 | 1840,5 | 34916 | 233 |
| 122 | 660 | 1.247.000 | 1870,5 | 36126 | 241 |
| 123 | 665 | 1.268.000 | 1902 | 37363 | 249 |
| 124 | 670 | 1.289.000 | 1933,5 | 38627 | 258 |
| 125 | 675 | 1.310.000 | 1965 | 39917 | 266 |
| 126 | 680 | 1.332.000 | 1998 | 41235 | 275 |
| 127 | 685 | 1.353.000 | 2029,5 | 42579 | 284 |
| 128 | 690 | 1.375.000 | 2062,5 | 43952 | 293 |
| 129 | 695 | 1.397.000 | 2095,5 | 45352 | 302 |
| 130 | 700 | 1.419.000 | 2128,5 | 46781 | 312 |
| 131 | 705 | 1.441.000 | 2161,5 | 48237 | 322 |
| 132 | 710 | 1.464.000 | 2196 | 49723 | 331 |
| 133 | 715 | 1.486.000 | 2229 | 51237 | 342 |
| 134 | 720 | 1.509.000 | 2263,5 | 52781 | 352 |
| 135 | 725 | 1.532.000 | 2298 | 54354 | 362 |
| 136 | 730 | 1.555.000 | 2332,5 | 55956 | 373 |
| 137 | 735 | 1.579.000 | 2368,5 | 57590 | 384 |
| 138 | 740 | 1.602.000 | 2403 | 59253 | 395 |
| 139 | 745 | 1.626.000 | 2439 | 60947 | 406 |
| 140 | 750 | 1.649.000 | 2473,5 | 62670 | 418 |
| 141 | 755 | 1.673.000 | 2509,5 | 64425 | 429 |
| 142 | 760 | 1.698.000 | 2547 | 66212 | 441 |
| 143 | 765 | 1.722.000 | 2583 | 68030 | 454 |
| 144 | 770 | 1.746.000 | 2619 | 69879 | 466 |
| 145 | 775 | 1.771.000 | 2656,5 | 71760 | 478 |
| 146 | 780 | 1.796.000 | 2694 | 73674 | 491 |
| 147 | 785 | 1.821.000 | 2731,5 | 75621 | 504 |
| 148 | 790 | 1.846.000 | 2769 | 77600 | 517 |
| 149 | 795 | 1.872.000 | 2808 | 79613 | 531 |
| 150 | 800 | 1.897.000 | 2845,5 | 81658 | 544 |
| 151 | 805 | 1.923.000 | 2884,5 | 83738 | 558 |
| 152 | 810 | 1.949.000 | 2923,5 | 85851 | 572 |
| 153 | 815 | 1.975.000 | 2962,5 | 87999 | 587 |
| 154 | 820 | 2.001.000 | 3001,5 | 90180 | 601 |
| 155 | 825 | 2.027.000 | 3040,5 | 92396 | 616 |
| 156 | 830 | 2.054.000 | 3081 | 94647 | 631 |
| 157 | 835 | 2.081.000 | 3121,5 | 96933 | 646 |
| 158 | 840 | 2.108.000 | 3162 | 99255 | 662 |
| 159 | 845 | 2.135.000 | 3202,5 | 101613 | 677 |
| 160 | 850 | 2.162.000 | 3243 | 104006 | 693 |
| 161 | 855 | 2.190.000 | 3285 | 106436 | 710 |
| 162 | 860 | 2.217.000 | 3325,5 | 108901 | 726 |
| 163 | 865 | 2.245.000 | 3367,5 | 111404 | 743 |
| 164 | 870 | 2.273.000 | 3409,5 | 113943 | 760 |
| 165 | 875 | 2.301.000 | 3451,5 | 116520 | 777 |
| 166 | 880 | 2.329.000 | 3493,5 | 119133 | 794 |
| 167 | 885 | 2.358.000 | 3537 | 121785 | 812 |
| 168 | 890 | 2.387.000 | 3580,5 | 124476 | 830 |
| 169 | 895 | 2.415.000 | 3622,5 | 127203 | 848 |
| 170 | 900 | 2.444.000 | 3666 | 129969 | 866 |
| 171 | 905 | 2.474.000 | 3711 | 132775 | 885 |
| 172 | 910 | 2.503.000 | 3754,5 | 135620 | 904 |
| 173 | 915 | 2.532.000 | 3798 | 138503 | 923 |
| 174 | 920 | 2.562.000 | 3843 | 141426 | 943 |
| 175 | 925 | 2.592.000 | 3888 | 144389 | 963 |
| 176 | 930 | 2.622.000 | 3933 | 147392 | 983 |
| 177 | 935 | 2.652.000 | 3978 | 150435 | 1003 |
| 178 | 940 | 2.683.000 | 4024,5 | 153519 | 1023 |
| 179 | 945 | 2.713.000 | 4069,5 | 156644 | 1044 |
| 180 | 950 | 2.744.000 | 4116 | 159810 | 1065 |
| 181 | 955 | 2.775.000 | 4162,5 | 163017 | 1087 |
| 182 | 960 | 2.806.000 | 4209 | 166266 | 1108 |
| 183 | 965 | 2.837.000 | 4255,5 | 169557 | 1130 |
| 184 | 970 | 2.869.000 | 4303,5 | 172890 | 1153 |
| 185 | 975 | 2.900.000 | 4350 | 176265 | 1175 |
| 186 | 980 | 2.932.000 | 4398 | 179683 | 1198 |
| 187 | 985 | 2.964.000 | 4446 | 183144 | 1221 |
| 188 | 990 | 2.996.000 | 4494 | 186648 | 1244 |
| 189 | 995 | 3.028.000 | 4542 | 190195 | 1268 |
| 190 | 1000 | 3.061.000 | 4591,5 | 193787 | 1292 |
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Please remember that if the plots your wife has are touching a player you don’t know, you will never want to unplot and replot to you because the other beacon will likely reserve the space the second you unplot. So you should keep those plots on the same character they were put down on so you keep the “time history.”
I hope that makes sense. If not - basically plot has a time value and it used to determine who owns the reserved space around it. This is important when you touch other plots because it will decide who gets reserved space.
If it is against people you know, you can always work it out. If it is against someone you don’t know then you could lose that area and never get it back. So you have to be careful. That is why many of us create larger buffers around our builds and never touch the plots so we keep that reserved space due to our plot being the “oldest time.”
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I disagree, I read James post that they do plan to nerf the cubits rewards. It is very important that we do give them feedback on the amount of the nerf because if they go to far (which they currently do) the game will not be playable as we currently do. Take a loot at the table I’ve posted. My mains plots are mostly used up. I would either have to deconstruct some of my farms or build them much smaller (not fun) or spend 700.- (not going to happen).
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Increasing the amount of xp per level as you go up is not a bad thing by itself, it should be challenging to level up higher but there is a difference between having to grind mindlessly and doing difficult tasks with a bigger reward.
Right now I don’t think we have any good higher level activities that reward us accordingly besides crafting.
So if the game is going to move in this direction which I don’t think is a bad idea, then we need new activities for everyone.
For hunters it’s easy, we need to improve the rewards we get from mobs and meteors, but for now let’s focus on XP.
We should be able to get more XP as we face stronger enemies and less XP for doing the opposite.
Devs could add higher tier planets(or dungeons if we ever get them) with stronger mobs every time the level cap is increased.
Crafting is also not a problem i believe, i hope that we also eventually get better materials and tools to craft as we level up.
But then we have all the other activities that have a very poor reward system like building, forging, farming and foraging.
We could say “just increase the xp for everything they do” but that would lead to problems like bots farming easy xp by placing blocks and removing them, so we need to think in a good way to improve these without breaking the game.
If we can’t get this then the increase on XP per level needs to be reduced by a lot because it’s going to be painful to grind xp.
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I’m not saying don’t talk about that but you all will hurt yourself if you just focus on the XP number value versus the actual % increase required per level or how the other game mechanics work. in the leveling aspect. The issue with the Devs is ALWAYS the system and not the values of the balance in it.
They can tweak the system for the balance however they want but if the overall game mechanic of the system is bad then we want to focus on that. I know this because I’ve talked to James (via voice) the most out of anyone here in this game about “the systems” inside it and how to change them. Nothing ever was about the values as much as it was how - this system affects the other system, etc.
So I still think we should be breaking out “plot” rewards from XP leveling or something so the system supports progression in skills AND not require progression in building.
Now they might have settled on a nerf to stop large plots but that doesn’t really feel like James at all. Rarely have I ever seen them specifically put in nerfs to stop actions. Usually they allow people options.
Plots should mainly be earned through building, not mining or crafting. It’s dumb that people who need plots don’t have them and people who don’t need them to build have them.
But such a change is outside the scope of the next patch and I’m not a game dev to come up with a perfect solution to that anyway.
I can only offer them feedback that, if they nerf the amount of plots I gain even the slightest, I won’t be able to continue playing the game the way I currently do. And depending on the numbers of the nerf I won’t be able to play it at all.
The current 4.6 times nerf is way to big for me to “just grind around it”. I haven’t played a minute without an active XP pie since they changed the pie it and I still have to go out of my way to grind for plots.
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pls use the detail function from the forum to hide the table, the complete table is just overkill
if you dont know how to use look here
i make some charts for a better visualization
all charts here in the second table
if you click on the table you can see the data from the line
if you want some more charts just say it than i will add them 
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Im reading that these are supposedly “just for solo” because it needs to be balanced?
If the rules only apply to non mmo… then why do players get punished for not wanting to play with others?
Does that really look like fun? 150-180 takes up almost as mch xp as 0-100 really…
edit oh great now there is level 190, why does grind == fun?
@DKPuncherello see what happens when you spend all day eating silk yellow gleam and pooping out levels? 
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So ignoring that “curve” is the system they are using and how it works a good one? That is what I’m trying to make sure everyone that is really looking into this can agree on or not. That curve can be adjusted but the system will be much harder.
Can we agree that the “system” makes sense? Or what needs to change there?
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Can you be more specific about what you mean by “the system”? Most of the change is in the numbers.
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The problem is the people that abuse the plot system and build horizontally with 1 plot high beacons, go look at biitual and you can see what i mean…
I had to run for a couple of minutes to get out of a plot jivita owns on biitual with nothing built… and even then i couldnt build because it has plot reservations turned on…
thats what needs balance, the big plot players not the joe blow little guys that have way less with stuff actually built.
Edit: plots need a variable rate, like building vertically should be cheaper if you already own the plot below it, i would imagine a cylinder should be cheaper than a pizza box…
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3 million xp thinking that not all players have the most prestigious blocks it’s going to be really hard to level up even for big builder, unless he has a big wallet to buy those blocks. Ok maybe this will force us to farm the resources , keep the economy going (hammers, teaching pies etc…) play the game as entended, but it’s a brutal change.
I’m not talking about plotting on planets. I am talking about the new system for getting levels. Outside of the current curve is the system making sense and works ok or are there flaws in it, etc. That is what is being focused on in this patch on due to the new skills required.
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except plots are basically synonymous with levels
this does not look like fun to get to 190… what is the point if all the skill pages will be exactly the same except for 3 or 4 epic skills?
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The system is the game mechanic. Right now it looks like a linear value of XP to reward or something like that. Does that make sense or how can the mechanic be changed. They can always balance that curve to be less but the inputs of that – XP for certain work, etc is what is important.
like should the system stop at level 190? Do people max their character? etc…