What are we doing?

Finally, there was a thread with REAL IDEAS and meaningful discussion. It brought back players we haven’t seen in years—people who were actually engaged enough to read and contribute again. And then the thread gets closed.

It’s hard not to question decisions like that. Moments like this make it feel like the community shuts down the very conversations that people are engaged with because somebody gets their feelings hurt. Instead, we fall back into the same repetitive topics like “what did you do in boundless today” and “who is streaming” that nobody outside of 4 or 5 people care about anymore.

I’ve also noticed that the people pushing hardest to flag posts or lock discussions are often the same ones discouraging deeper or more challenging conversations. They area also the same folks that have admitted in other discussions that they are not playing with a full deck and that their elevator is not going to the top deck. That pattern makes it even harder to sustain meaningful dialogue. I respect Vex but closing that topic was mistake. That was the most engagement this place has seen in months

This community is working against itself and is its own worst enemy. Go ahead and reply or shut me down, I don’t care and will not be back to see either way

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My boyfriend and I play a few times a week, though not every day. We recently returned to the game after about a year of searching for something similar, but nothing could match it. We’d love to see it come back to life it’s so quiet now, and it makes us sad. I feel Boundless never got the chance to reach its true glory; it could be a real contender for fans of Minecraft and other building games. But only time will tell whether this massive company will keep its promise to revive it, or if we’ll be left grieving the loss of one of our favorite games.

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Welcome to the boundless forum @Passionatebeyez

Imo- Just stick with the game. This forum has a gatekeeper who do not want any criticism directed toward the developers. This thread will be closed quickly at the request of the gatekeeper. I agree 100% with your thoughts

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The thread was pretty engaging, not sure why it was closed it wasn’t very toxic at all.

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I only read it without commenting.
This kind of discussion happened before and always led to going around in cycles, but there was always something interesting to take from it, even if it’s a reminder of previous statements rather than a new thing.
I wouldn’t mind for it to remain open, but wouldn’t take closing it as something negative either. I always had mixed feelings about beating the proverbial horse. Although I must admit, if people care to beat it, why wouldn’t they get freedom to continue? As long as it doesn’t get personal, as it often did in the past.
Then again, me personally, I found it repetitive after a couple of weeks and my initial excitement about it waned eventually and I started glance-reading posts there.

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I don’t think this is a fair assessment at all. There have never been gatekeepers on either side. We’ve had people that support the original Devs and those that constantly complained no matter what the Devs did. You might think there is a gatekeeper now because so many of us are just tired of the constant complaints and people after being gone years coming back to just complain again. Rinse, repeat. Rinse, repeat. So, some are just so sick of this because they cannot understand why people that are so disappointed keep coming back to just complain and never let the game go.

I think many are just tired of just same complaints over and over that offer no value to the game. People see value in sharing what THEY ENJOY AND PLAY versus those that don’t play any more but still complain.

Personally, I ignore really the complaint threads because I’ve basically played a DECADE basically now and the “complaints” are just repeat with nothing new. We all hate the situation in the game but have moved on and just enjoy what we have while we have it.

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It was the same engagement every time someone makes a thread asking the same question. There are probably 5-10 threads about it. I think Vex made the right choice in closing it.

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I can’t imagine who that would be, considering we’re all pretty vocal in our opinions. I guess some people just have issues…

On a side note, I want to thank @jon-eric for all the effort he has made to help us.

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lol. That’s a good one

Another funny one. This forum in the definition of “rinse and repeat” without the videos you are describing

It was a mistake. That was the most engagement this mostly-dead rinse and repeat forum had seen in over a year with real ideas and discussions happening from more than the usual 5-6 people.[which was probably the issue]

If you go back and search the threads you will see it was the same ideas and same conversations. Sorry but after seeing them so many times in the last 4 years alone. Sometimes there was two threads within the same week about the same thing. They had different titles but were about the same subject. None lead to anything happening.

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I understand your feelings but if people are actively participating and engaging in a civil way, why lock it down? Even @Redlotus admits it was engaging.

Why not just ignore the topics you do not wish to participate in? Nobody is forcing you to click on it.

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drama

First of all, you need to realize that for a lot of the remaining players, going down with the ship is a point of pride. Those players do not want the game changed in any way, for any reason, even if it means the game dies. They are happy to have the game die, while they revel in their diehardness to the original vision or their current fiefdom in the game or whatever niche market they have carved our for themselves. The game has been the exact same game for 6 years, they are fat and happy in that place, and they want exactly nothing to change. They will fight to the death to keep absolutely everything exactly the same as it is right at this moment, even while they know it is killing the game.

Second of all, you need to realize that for the game to take back off, major changes are needed, which will require development costs, that absolutely no one is willing to pay unless they get to micromanage absolutely every change that is needed to the benefit of themselves.

For the game to turn a profit, it needs to go free to play, and it needs a relaunch. Relaunch means wipe, which means ditching the HISTORIC builds of excellence, which means death. Ugh.

We will all QUIT! We will never build AGAIN. Blah blah blah. Sure you will, because Boundless is your entire life and you don’t know what else to do with yourselves.

Moving on, I see 2 potential futures for the game, one of which will mean slowing its eventual death, and one of which means an actual revitalization.

POTENTIAL FUTURE ONE
People pay for the planets they want to keep: queue the screeching about P2W. You have a whole bunch of, at minimum, $100 a month planets to pay for. The people who want to keep them, pay for them. If no one cares that much, they go away. Basically all the planets become sovereigns, and people pay to keep the ones they want. The game survives because it breaks even. Queue the slow death.

POTENTIAL FUTURE TWO
The game goes free to play. This requires many changes, but also contains actual potential for the game to succeed. It also requires a wipe and a relaunch, as well as investment. Investment leads to profits, and has the potential for serious profit. First, you need to figure out how many players you need per world to be successful, and then you need to implement changes to push that many players to live on a world. This requires major changes. Right now you have maybe 10-15 players max living on a world. The entire game incentivizes people spreading out and grabbing as much space as they can to build pretty, useless things and brag on the forums about how awesome they are.

Guilds are fake, mostly filled with alts to cheat the system for buffs. Most buffs are never used, most foods are never used, most of the forging is never used, most of the skills are never used, and most of the game is never used. You have a whole bunch of code that means jack. Everyone runs around in diapers whining about Oort and portals and pretending that no problems are solvable and everything must stay exactly how it is or the world will end. Figure out a way to reuse all the stuff that never got used. Be able to assign the unused guild buffs to actual builds so people have a reason to use them. Add planetary government systems so that all the ■■■■ the developers were having to moderate can be moderated by players. Add a road system the government can control. Add zoning the government can control. Give players the ability to keep trolls off of their planets, and give players a reason to group up and visit other people’s builds. You want that brew buff that used to be a guild buff no one ever used? Add a doohickey to taverns that gives that buff when you visit them. Take that defeat insurance helix and add it to some doohickey that can go in a hospital build. Then let people stack all that stuff. Its a PvE game, who gives a flying dumpster about balance. Governments grant these 3 buffs, guilds grant these 3, and you can visit builds for 2 hours of x, y and z. Let extra foods be stacked from food consumed in restaurants on top of the stupid one you can consume by default. Give people a flipping reason to group up and work together and be around other people.

Get rid of the stupid skill caps. This is a survival game and yes, people are going to want to do everything. Stop pretending its an RPG. It has absolutely no RPG elements.

Oh, people should not be able to do everything! Guess what, they absolutely can given enough alts. And everyone hates that system. They want to be able to do the stuff they like doing and won’t do the stuff they don’t like doing anyways. Doing what you like and not doing what you don’t like is how you get an economy.

Speaking of stuff no one likes doing, COMBAT. The game has no combat system. No, meteors don’t count. They never did. They were a placeholder for a serious system that was never implemented and that is why no one likes doing combat. Because it doesn’t exist. Add a flipping combat system. Add instanced dungeons or something that can be found in the open world. That lets the devs place different rules on the combat voxels so the stuff actually works right. You enter a dungeon, and have stable rules for pathfinding. No more mobs underground.

And clothes. No one likes running around in diapers. That is so stupid I cannot even put the stupidity of it into words. Armor. Just…seriously?

If you are going to have less planets, then the color system needs major changes. Let people make pigment out of anything. Maybe goo is a facilitator and doesn’t come in colors at all. You just crush up whatever you have in whatever color and make it into the color you want with the help of translucent goo.

Also, you need a reason for people to live on something other than a T1 world. Stop making it hard to do that through the skill system, and add some perks. Faster crafting times, better prestige, something. And also, more exoworlds faster and allow campfires or improve inventory management.

Get rid of planet bottlenecks and make every tier of world equidistant from every other world. Let go of failed design elements that didn’t work.

Add the ability to turn weather off or make it actually do something.

Add buffs for working together to something other than combat.

Make the game fun for more than the handful of crotchety buzzkills who currently hold a stranglehold on everything and attack everyone who isn’t them.

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So true. :rofl: They will never quit trying to download a life on this game

True. Nobody wants to be a troll in a diaper.

Kind of like this forum :rofl:

I am fine with any of those potential futures, but I think the game is done sooner than later. I think the game is alive because monumental is understaffed and forgot about it.

Very good ideas though. Thanks for sharing

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A woman will send a meme because she thinks you’ll find it funny; a man will post 500 memes for years on a dead game forum because he has no idea how to hold a conversation.

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I can officially say I would quit. I got plenty of other games that I’m interested in that quiting one game after 4,900+ hours is sufficient for me that I could move on to a different game without batting an eye. Not everyone is stuck on just playing just one game. I got plenty of RPGs, racing games, survival games, FPS games that I can go play. Hate to say it but not everyone revolves their life around a single game.

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I am going to be a crotchety buzzkill and point out that your ideas are good - but no problem is solvable unless the people who own the game are prepared to invest the money into hiring devs to actively work on the game.

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Why have a conversation with a person who complains about everything or has yet to prove that they’re worth the effort of anything more than a meme?
Maybe the meme gets the point across and that person just can’t handle the response?

That’s your call and I understand where you are coming from. But imo, I think if they ever do wipe the servers, go free-to-play, etc, it will be with an eye on attracting thousands of players. They will not worry about keeping the 50 of us still playing.

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[quote=“CleoStJames, post:13, topic:69333”]
First of all, you need to realize that for a lot of the remaining players, going down with the ship is a point of pride.[/quote]

If you are worried about “pride” spend more time self reflecting. Pretty much your whole post is complete victimhood while sitting on a huge horse of arrogance and entitlement. You and the other fool responding prove exactly the toxic nature of so many in the community that have given actually nothing to the game but complaints. They wear their arrogance like a badge of honor as they demand change and think they KNOW EXACTLY what will fix the game. While the truth of the matter is their own toxic nature and that huge hole in their soul they are trying to fill would help destroy the game no matter what it looked like.

They spend years mad at the state of the game because they are the ones pissed it isn’t dead. They need to be right and cannot stand it that there are just some of us willing to play the game in whatever state it is. They couldn’t just enjoy the game for what it IS and find joy in it and pray that it would get better. So, they subconsciously enact their revenge by demanding to be something it isn’t and try over and over to get everyone to quit so they feel vindicated.

Will some come back if there is a wipe? Maybe. Others might not. Hell, some people have wiped their own builds countless times and still find joy. If parts of the game design changed they probably would still find joy while others might not. The people that are still here and are ACTUALLY PLAYING WITHOUT COMPLAINING do it for reasons you’ll never understand or comprehend because something is wrong with how you look at this game. Too many people like you are completely incorrect in your approach to the game and that is why you hate it so much and can’t stand it. You have to spew out those ridiculous views because you didn’t get things exactly like you wanted.

The permanent legacy and statement about Boundless will always be - People that enjoyed and actually provided value by playing the game for years versus those that gave no value, complained, and likely quit multiple times.

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