I was talking about a whole town, on a fully protected world maybe, not an single room
Yeah, and i said that would be kinda sad, why would you want that? why would you ever want huge epic guild towns to be hidden to the public? the epic part of this game is the fact that you can build these huge guildhalls and towns that everybody can see, if you build it in a guild beacon it doesnt matter, it wouldnt be more safe just because people couldnt get to it.
Also you may be able to set your beacon to non-trespassing, so it would be like a closed room (a damn big one if your guild does its job right) ā¦ Just a visible one 
On my old mc server, I had a server owned vault under the spawn town that was set up to display all of the gold, emerald, and diamond that players sold to the central bank. It was set up as a no-trespass zone but you could view it from behind bars. Kinda like @thebirne is talking about. It was a popular site for people showing off the server to friends.
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No You totally missunderstand it. Iām talking about a Town in wich you have all things the Guild itself need like the guildbank, Recruiting boards for every Guild out there, ect. Iām not talking about one town in wich every guild is in. just the place where the guildleaders get their important stuff thoā¦ That would be really stupid, why should someone think of that?! why did you?!
Let me put it simply.
in my eyes anything, a guild should do, should be done in the actual world, if you want to see how instanced guild worlds work i would recommend looking at trove, i find it very very sad.
i see absolutely zero reason for it to be in a seperate instance, zero, i would even be against it because it just means more meaningless work from the devs, what would the point of having that stuff in a seperate world be? what is the good part? the reward of it? anything that are guild related could just be craftable, so guildbank is a block you craft, recruitment boards is something you craft etc etc, as somebody else mentioned i dont think guilds should have any sort of universal vaults, but i would like for guilds to be able to spent resources on bigger vaults/chests that guild leaders can control settings for, so individual vaults, not global.
please, do explain to me what the good side of having a seperate town for anything guild related be. i can say the bad is more work for the devs, it would ruin quite a bit of immersion and it would make guilds feel like a disconnected part of the game, nobody would need guild towns if everything they needed is in a seperate āāworldāā anyways 
Our general philosophy with a lot of this stuff is to provide some rules and let it be up to the player. In this case:
- Guild leaders want to protect some valuable assets
- Guild leader places a new Beacon
- Guild leader adds other important guild members to that Beacon
- Chests/stuff/items put in area and protected with locks (and locked doors)
Done.
If you want to totally prevent physical access to an area the way to do it will be:
- Place a Beacon
- Build a wall to encapsulate area you want to restrict access
- Build a door
- Place a lock on that door
Done. Only Beacon members will be able to access this area.
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Is this a confirmation that you can lock doors and chests? if yes is it just a virtual lock meaning only people with token in it can use it, or a physical lock where you can make keys for it? (easy to make simple system or a bit harder to make immersive system)
Yes. Locking means only members of the Beacon can access this thing. Think of Beacons like plots in a grid, they specify permissions. Locks are simple, a thing either has a lock or doesnāt. Locks themselves donāt store permissions, the Beacon does.
Sharing stuff with everyone
Eg: you and I are in a Beacon, there is an unlocked chest, anyone in the game can access the contents.
Sharing stuff with a select group:
Eg: you and I are in a Beacon, there is a locked chest, we can both access it and the contents.
Keeping stuff totally private:
Eg: I am in a Beacon, nobody else has permissions, there is a locked chest, only I can access the contents.
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Right, how agile are beacons going to be? for example how can you split up permissions in a beacon, say i would like to have next to eachother but only certain people can go in each door, if they are in the same beacon then everybody would be able to use the doors, or maybe i would like to have a treasure room where some people can use some chests but a section of chests are only for specific people.
and the most important, what if i have a guild and i want everybody to be able to place stuff in the chest but only higher rankings or special people can take from it normal guild bank style or allow people to take a certain amount of things each day, all of these things are they possible to make without having permissions on the actual chests? would you guys be willing to consider special guild chests or vaults that have more space and have specific restrictions which can be put on them?
TL;DR: Maybe i want somebody to use some of the doors in my house but not others, would that be possible?
In this design, you canāt (and you shouldnāt need to, because youād create a new Beacon next-door).
We want players to always understand what a lock is going to mean for them ā we donāt want players to see locks and think āhmm, can I open that?ā and then have to interact with it to find out. A really good way to solve this is a consistent rule set per Beacon. You already know if youāre a member of a Beacon or not, which means you know instantly whether locks work for you or not. We hope itāll be easier to understand than a different set of rules per lock (which we did consider originally, but this feels more solid).
Beacons 2.0 (not the current implementation) are going to be distributed on a grid of plots across the world. The resolution of this grid is still to be decided, but itāll probably be something like 16x16 blocks.
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So you want a treasure room? Beacon off an area, invite all your friends. Choose where you want to store your treasure and place a Beacon there, but donāt add your friends to that Beacon. You can place Beacons edge-to-edge so they visually appear as if itās all the same village.
FYI: weāll probably change some of the terminology, it might be that Beacon isnāt the best word to describe this functionality.
any chance of having flexibel beacons? like a system where you can choose precisely what you want to beacon in terms of size, so you could either have a 50x2 beacon for a long road or you could freeform if you want to build an entire building within the beacon, and then the price of the beacon would be more expensive the more you capsule in?
or will it only be one set sized of beacon that if people want more to build on will have to put side by side?
Can you place a beacon inside of a beacon?
- wouldnt that kinda the ruin the point of beacons
- why in the world would you do that? XD
i hope you mean place your own beacon upon your own beacon, if anybody could beacon a beaconed area that would kinda nullify the other beacon wouldnt it?
of course youād need permisson in a beacon to place a beacon in it.
What Iām asking is if you have a beaconed area you have permissions too and you want a room only for yourself. Could you place a small beacon inside of that to make that room?
Because as I see it, thereās no other way with the current system you could achieve that.
Yep, thatās how they work.
So you set permissions for a 1x1 plot size Beacon, and then you can create a new one if you want a different set of permissions, or you can extend the existing Beacon to cover a larger area with the same set of permissions. Weāve thought a lot about this (really, quite a lot of design time has gone into this) and we think it covers all use cases.
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And no, weāre not going to allow nested Beacons in Beacons. You can achieve the same thing by leaving a space (or removing a Beacon) and then set different permissions. So thereās really no need for nesting.
Nice, that is precisely how i imagined the best way to be, after beaconing up an area are we going to be able to change those āāpartsāā of the beacon, so say as kuma asked before, if he wants a room in the beacon, can i go into an already existing beacon and mark that up as a āāseperateāā beacon or āāsectionāā with the special rules? or is there no way to overwrite the beacon once placed?
also will we be able to extend beacons over time so if we need more space and we have the materials we can drag our 10x5 beacon out to 10x10 ?
Youāll be able to remove plots and re-Beacon them.
Also hereās an example that would be covered by the current system (top down view, obviously)
The greeny-blue areas are all shared between Me, Kuro and Zould. I also have private plots. Zouls also has private plots. Kuro also has private plots. Zouls and I also have plots that Kuro canāt access. Kuro and I also have plots that Zouls canāt access.
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