Testing 246: Creative Worlds!

Currently there is no link for a palette node within the lighting. It’s a “you get what we give you” sort of thing. The post I linked shows all of the current options and I believe these are tied to the type of world in the current universe (corrosive worlds get corrosive lighting, etc.)

Yea for my planet i really want to build on I’m stuck with blast, lush, metal(sorta) which is unfortunate. But the planet I’ll get for mining it doesn’t matter as most my time will be spent in the ground.

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From what Ross said here I agree that higher tier biomes on lower tier planets should not be an issue.

But Xaldafax is right that you also don’t want low tier biomes on high tier worlds or to be able to have too much control over which biomes you use for more lucrative worlds or it makes resources easier to get. Ross said biomes don’t have full control over spawning of resources but there is some control so total biome selection could be used to exploit things.

Fair enough, so could you set it up so you can pick biomes from your tier or higher? Then you cannot get a tier one biome on a tier 6 planet.

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Well I’m not sure if they are “locked” but each planet tier does have a count of select biome types that are applied. Best words I can find right now to explain it so it might not be perfectly explained. :slight_smile:

I do agree selection is important and I talked about that a lot on my call yesterday about that and how it could be accomplished. I personally would want the ability to have more floaty island or high tier looks on lower as well. I’ll have to see if they were influenced some, but there are a lot of dependencies and other things so who knows where they finally land for this release… Like anything it is always the same thing - time, concerns on abuse, technical limitations, etc… lol.

Yes you might have a ton of experience in World Builder and I am not disputing that. But, World Builder is a manual tool and not “integrated” into user selection of Private planets nor any planet generation currently in an automated fashion (basically speaking). And likely it will not be until they are able to rewrite World Builder so it can work within the game. I’ve talked to James specifically about this stuff so what I was trying to share is that while it might be a flip in WB it does not mean that it is an “easy flip” for the players to use it inside the game.

Case in point I focused a lot yesterday about the ability to regen the World if you didn’t like what you got. That is easy to do but not easy with how they have designed the infrastructure and having the servers set up. Plus when you take how long a planet takes to build on a 16 core/32gb ram machine versus the likely 1 core/1gb server we will run, it is a challenge. So we don’t always end up getting what we want because it isn’t ideal when you dive into the weeds to achieve it. So I highly doubt a “redo” will be automated but do hope they really consider it.

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I think it’s pretty well explained via the categories here but please let me know if that’s not the case…

Does this mean they are working on a different tool outside of World Builder before Release 247? Or are they reworking World Builder before release 247? Because I know it’s a manual tool but I also know @lucadeltodecso said all of the worlds are generated using it.

WB worlds can’t actually be launched outside of the visualization tools afaik. So it’s not so much that it’s not an easy flip for players as much as it is an impossible flip for players (again, afaik).

Yep, Ross shared some of that challenge here.

Yeah I was happy to see that it was done. I suggested to them that we have a series of worlds that show cased each and every biome so that people could take screenshots of them from a more game perspective. Then those screenshots could be used on the system that would allow people to select the biomes for their sovereign planet (assuming that system is actually created).

I don’t know if they would ever create a new tool. During a chat about more detailed customization and look of a Sovereign it came up that it would have been nice if the World Builder would have been brought directly into the game to allow a better ability to customize the worlds. This is an option but would require a big change to WB. Honestly, I don’t know when/if they would ever do that considering the amount of time it would take.

Yes everything is still built with it but as mentioned I’ve been very focused on trying to influence the best possibility for those buying Sovereign worlds to have the best options for customization of the world as well as the ability to rebuild the landscape if the first generation didn’t meet their needs. While people could certainly tell the Devs they didn’t like the world and have it manually rebuilt - I was doing my best to push for an automated solution because it puts the power into each players hands versus taking time away from the developers. Based on these test worlds we’ve seen, I’ve talked to a few people that wouldn’t have been happy with the world they got as the perm one they would be paying for. So more options especially with something where money is involved is important in my view.

Without the server components yeah I would agree. I’d still love the option to build it with WB and upload it to them for use… but that isn’t likely any time soon (if ever). Overall, though, I still just mean the ability to customize settings being available and how it relates to WB for generation is something that will take time to code for this release.

And yeah the build time can suck… but I would wait 6 hours if I had to so that I could generate a world I am completely happy with if I’m going to pay for it.

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I was having issues getting my game to switch over to test server and never got to try out the creative world you spawned for me :sweat_smile: any chance I could get an extension on that world so I could still try it out?

Interesting. I hadn’t thought of that. I had in my mind wanting a corrosive planet with Amethyst to mine and as many purple colors as I can set. Lighting might make that look awful… guess I need to carry some blocks around and see how it looks.

Yes, if still possible

@Soju-VB, @Gerentt, @Kal-El, @Stretchious, @DanBeforeTime - I’ve extended your Creative worlds till Monday.

I will try and add some additional testing worlds over the weekend for the players who have requested them.

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Thank you!

I was able to get back to my Creative planet planet with no issues

1 - I was able to change my Home Beacon to the one on the creative planet. Once the planet goes offline I will be able to check what happens against the release notes. I will leave my character on the Creative planet when the planet expires as part of the test. I should end up with an option to go to Muntel.

2 - My portal between my creative planet and the one to @Stretchious planet was open and fully fueled when I got back to the planet.

3 - My portal to another location on the same planet was also open and fully fueled when I got to my base. In neither instance did I have to re-open the portal.

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Likely not a big deal, and maybe just something from the way testing environment is done but thought I would mention it just in case its a sign of an underlying issue.

While my creative world was locked I reclaimed the main beacon.
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It went through the appropriate steps (and no reclaim was available when I check on Dand, as expected)

But when the world was “unlocked” a little while ago for the extension, that beacon reappeared in the beacon list like it was an active beacon again.

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When I warped to the planet the reclaim had worked as there was no beacon at that location and none of the things I had placed are there.

It shows up as removed when I view it from the Places menu on my character
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But viewing the beacons list from the sanctum portal it appears it is still active now

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I think you will find this on Live as well. As long as you have a beacon saved in your beacon list (removed or not) the sanctum portal will list it as a valid destination.

My beacon list (opened in the sanctum):
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The sanctum warp blocks:
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Does it show the status correctly if you open the places list rather than the warp interface?

Yeah, its correct via places. I have not done much in the way of reclaims on live so did not know it was the same on live. It does seem like odd behavior though.

This is the greatest suggestion for creative that I’ve seen so far! I’ve been trying to think of a way to make creative worlds make actual logical sense as to why there’s certain planets where you’re just given superpowers and any blocks you want. This solves it perfectly! Add beds into the game and interacting with one takes you to the dream realm. It can be part of the initial tutorial crafting a bed and entering there. Not only does it work extremely well to separate the universes, it gives more visibility to them since that game mode can be introduced so early on. Seriously, James needs to see this. I will not be happy until he does.

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If specific biomes require specific tier planets, maybe now is a good time than ever to decouple biomes from tier.

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Is there any way to determine what biomes are on a test creative planet? If not I will just have to use @Clexarews post on biomes. I know I have a tier 4 blast planet

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Oh thank god! The farming bug is fixed then I presume? I’ll test on PS4 when it’s live!

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