What is the point of reaching out to Turbulenz and the Developers

This was my exact reaction. Not that it’s expensive, but it’s too much for something that just got into early alpha.

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Few of my friends blowed their graphics card while playing New world… They said they fixed but i dunno.

Also To be add To op.

They are updating their boundless Twitter… So they are not completely gone… I dunno whos updating it nowadays but still… Really weird they keep updating Twitter but keep radio silence here.

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Silence since June :frowning:

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They are done with the game for the foreseeable future. It is what it is.

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It’s interesting that you think that. Can we return to discussing facts?

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Not even going to entertain you anymore. It’s laughable at this point and blatantly obvious.

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Yes, it is blatantly obvious that you have no interest in honest discussion.

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It’s gotten to a point that you’re so blind to reason that I picture you as a kid in the middle of an argument where you’re sticking an index finger into each ear, closing your eyes, dancing furiously in place and shouting to yourself.

Sorry to have to do this but I’m going to simply turn you off so I don’t see your posts anymore.

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This is precisely how I feel about you. You have decided on what the facts are, and state your conclusions as if they were hard fact. You act as if you have heard directly from the developers that they have abandoned the game when you don’t know anything. They could be working every day on the game, but how would you know? They could have abandoned it, but how could I know?

The fact is, we do not know, and representing anything else as truth is dishonest, manipulative, and a direct attack on the game, the developers, and the community.

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Oh you guys again…

Maybe they are done, maybe they aren’t neither of you know but you both can speculate and neither really know … STILL. That is more the issue than anything to me.

I don’t care if they are or aren’t “done” and define done… done with development? done with supporting? done with maintaining?

And if they are “done” does that mean the game is dead?

That answer is different for all of us,. If there is a Boundless Universe running on a server to me the game is alive but that doesn’t mean that development has or hasn’t stopped.

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You go “oh you guys again”, but I’m literally only asking him to state his opinion as opinion and not as objective fact. How is there anything controversial about that? I really don’t understand.

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I should have said “Oh this conversation again…”

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I guess at some point, I should fully express what I think is happening with the devs, so I can reference it any time people accuse me of being toxically positive. I just don’t like spreading speculation like that, so I haven’t taken the time to do it.

For the record:

I believe there are 1-3 developers working on Boundless as a hobby. This is primarily evidenced by James only posting during UK business hours. You can even go into his history and see that he sometimes gets off work a little early on Fridays, or works a little later on other days. If he posts during the day, it’s on a weekend.
He looks at the forums during the work day, but who doesn’t. I don’t know UK law, but it’s likely that he can’t actually do any of his side work on work computers/hours without risking his primary employer gaining ownership of that work, so he wouldn’t be able to post or write code during the work day.

I believe that Turbulenz terminated the employees that were working on BG3 and that they were then brought into employment with the new Larian Guildford studio. I don’t have any inkling as to if this included the 2-3 people who weren’t already working on BG3, or if Boundless on it’s own can even support any full time employees. If we don’t get info from James, we’ll find out in about 2 years when those financial reports come out

From here, we can speculate that James and the 2-3 devs that log into the forums are likely also just working part-time on this as a passion project. I would go as far as to speculate that this has been the case for some time, since the BG3 contract started around the same time as the release of Boundless. They likely slowly moved devs over to contract work as Boundless proved itself to not be a huge success, and used some of the profits from that to support the remaining Boundless team.

With 1-3 devs working on the game part time, I think it would be a while before we see an update. If I were in this situation, I would shift to work exclusively on things that increase retention and conversion. I would drop outside communication until I had something to show, though not as intensely as James & co have, and I would do my best to get the product sustainable/profitable before the other people on the project lost steam working for peanuts/forum hearts.

Going forward from here, things would be very uncertain. I mean, assuming this is the actual scenario… If this is what is going on, there are more things likely to end production than there are that would let it continue. It would take a big win for the game to take back off and be able to scale dev up to where it needs to be. It could stay a slow-burn passion project forever, or it could just sort of fizzle.

I hope that if they end up fizzling, that they let the community know, and let the community help decide where the game ends up going - community sponsored servers, moving to all private servers, etc.

I have no idea if this is the scenario, and I have no idea where in the chain of events we would be in if this is the reality we are in.

This is my “toxically positive” opinion I keep hearing about. Do with it what you want.

I will keep playing the game until it isn’t fun anymore, and then I will move on until/unless an update I’m interested in happens.
If I leave before 249, and 249 only has it’s current features, that would not be enough to bring me back.

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This has always been my point … even with updates people may come back but the span they are interested would be very limited the next time around.

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The evidence seems to reinforce your conclusion. I’m sure @ardele sees it that way as well.

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Lolll ain’t this a sight to behold…

Dhusk: “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?”
Rydralain: “No. The car is moving so obviously we aren’t there yet.”
Dhusk: “We’re all gonna die! We’re already dead!”
Rydralain: “No, we’re alive and your crying won’t get us there any sooner. Shut up and play your Gameboy.”
Dhusk: “You’re acting like a child.”

Amazing.

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Just to ask: where is the proof the car is moving? Like if evidence is a thing someone needs, do we have that? Last I’ve seen was a screenshot posted by @Redlotus. And since you mentioned @Rydralain I’ll tag him too to see if I’ve just missed some evidence posted somewhere of active development (with the disclaimer that yes, Rydralain, I did read your long post about your stance and beliefs and I know you did not state those as facts).

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It’s interesting that you think that. Can we return to discussing facts?

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I’m pretty sure the car moving represents us not being to a point where we know the outcome yet. If you want to force the metaphor…

Dhusk is claiming that because the trip is taking longer than expected, Disneyland is clearly already closed and our parents are jusy driving around in circles because they want to pretend it isn’t closed so they can keep collecting foster care money as long as possible since they have to relinquish us to the state as soon as we get back from this road trip.

In reality, we’re sitting in the back and can’t see if we’re going in circles or just on a long detour because of a landslide and our foster parents aren’t responding anymore. We don’t know why they aren’t responding anymore. Maybe it’s because we whine too much, or maybe it’s because they don’t want to get caught in a lie about driving in circles. Who knows, they aren’t responding.

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I would love to.