Thanks for the smile! lmao
I think theyâre mixing up âmaking end game more challenging and funâ with âmake end game harder, more frustrating, and annoying so people wonât enjoy itâ. The thing with end game is, you donât have as much to work towards like you do in the beginning. So while you might be fine with grinding and doing things that arenât super fun in the beginning so you can get further in the game, when you reach end game whatâs the point in doing all these unenjoyable activities if theyre not helping you reach a goal? So then people at end game wonât bother with those things, like gathering and mining (because they might have enough money to buy all the stuff). Which leaves things like forging and building and crafting. Crafting requires no skill and thus doesnât really give the satisfaction except in selling it and making money but that satisfaction is finite. Building will always be there but I donât think most people would stick with the game if the only thing left to do is build. And then thereâs forging. It can be really fun and rewarding (that endorphin rush when you get exactly what you wanted is what keeps gamers in the game as well as trying to fine tune your strategy). But with quirks messing up so many tools I think a lot of people wonât find forging worth it anymore. So what is there left to do if forging isnât worth it, you donât have anything you want to build, and crafting is just buying things and clicking a button and selling it to gain even more money that you donât really need?
End game is so important to an mmo, I donât get why theyâre constantly trying to make it less fun by taking the things we enjoy and making them not worth it anymore.
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As @Manabanana said,
This isnât a bug, this isnât a mistake, this isnât something they didnât intend. Because if it was true, if it really wasnât meant to be like that, they would have pulled the feature from the game and rebalanced it on the spot. Why wait many many months?
Bomb Mining Nerf was literally the very first Patch of Release. Why didnât they also Nerf Forging then? Why only now?
Oh wait, I know why. Itâs because NOW is when they are trying to rebalance it for the low tier players, and remove Forging from Being an End Game only feature, to a low tier feature.
Why? Because if people can make âPerfectâ tools at end game, why would people waste their time making tools at low tier?
This isnât to rebalance the game. It wasnât a mistake they never intended. Iâll wager they are straight up lying to us about the excuse, and itâs just so people at the End Game, suffer just as much as lower tier, so there is NOT an excuse to just wait till end game and only make end game forges.
And that is NOT a good thing.
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Right now it seems to be only one route to go to forge. Why waste your time on any of the other materials? With Draining and vigor cat, you can just get God hammers for very little effort. You either have to make it harder to create/get the God hammers, or make other viable alternatives, otherwise you only need God hammers. Why use or waste your time with anything else?
You want to rebalance early game forging, which is something I fully support. Forging should be available from early game, maybe not the 1 shot 3x3 gem hammers, but something. However why does rebalancing the early game forging mean the end game forging has to be nerfed? Aridhol makes several great points about driving away your current fanbase resulting in a game that has already been losing players losing even more.
Rather than nerfing end game forging with quirks that will kill tools because they are far too punishing for what they are⌠bouncy feet and you die after jumping two times, why not change the costs of early game forging and make it more affordable for people to forge. The reason people donât forge and use cheaper tools is because itâs not cost effective. Simple fix would be to reduce the price on the lower tier boons. For example: Have a âSimple Compound Baseâ which is extremely cheap to create and used for the lower tier boon compounds. Make it materials that can be farmed easily in lower tier worlds. Then add an âAdvanced Compound Baseâ which is more expensive, along the lines of the current compound base, to make and can reflect the power of the boon compounds you can create with it, such as the draining boons.
Nerfing end game content when you have so many people at end game and enjoying it will only result in players leaving.
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With this patch can we also have a trashcan block so we can put all the items with defects/quirks in it? Having to go downstairs in my house to throw items off my bridge is time consuming.
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Iâll be your trash can 
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oh you 
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Lol!
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OMG vicious lol I love it
I am not a forger. Iâm a builder. That being said, getting my hands on top tier gear makes it A LOT easier to create beautiful and useable things for the community. End game building means being able to get the mats I need with ease, itâs not having to worry about spending an hour gathering rocks and wood that would take 10 minutes with a good tool. Forgers are precious, please donât discourage them from making high end tools that make the rest of our time spent on the game more enjoyable.
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I am vocal about changes I feel are overly punitive but Iâm also certain itâs never their intent. Apart from their apparent character, itâd just be silly behaviour to annoy your customers into leaving by thinking like that. Iâm sure itâs all done in good faith, I just donât always agree.
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Love these ideas! Something like this would give players a reason to use a variety of gem tools instead of whatever is available and worth it in terms of blocks broken for durability. Like slingbows have element boosts, so I carry around a slingbow of each gem so I can have one for whatever planet Iâm on. All the slingbows can be useful depending on where they are because the different gems have a different boost or debuff depending on the situation. Hammers donât depend on the situation at all so itâs just whatever is available. Adding situational perks and flaws like there are with gem bows would mean thereâs more thought into what tool youâre using and where, which would make things more fun.
Those are all good ideas. But it wonât be reintroduced in the immediate future. So I imagine they tweak the draining compound now and then introduce new boons/quirks when ready.
Otherwise, they donât do anything and players will continue to ravage higher tier planets and it keeps prices downâŚfor better or worse. Too much powercreep currently exists, IMHO
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Are you referring to the need for power to make anything useful after a certain point of the game? Iâm very aware. We quit the game in early access when they added power coils and changed all the recipes. Iâm back at the point in the game again where power coils are the next thing and I havenât gotten around to it. Iâd rather spend my time building.
I wonder 1) is this nerf really as bad as weâre making it out to be once you factor in allowing tools to go over 100% flexibility and 2) is this a result of regen being fixed and gems becoming easy to get for minimal cost thus having an impact on the economy.
If so, why not let forging stay how it is, take the focus off of gems and just let the economy run its course for this portion of the game.
Introduce rift, blink, darkmatter, etc and have current forging techniques have 0 effect on T7+ planets. Only forged rift, blink, and darkmatter weapons can be forged to work on T7+ and then u balance end game forging around end game content.
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Itâs actually the other way around. Some have reached end game and are bored because they have nothing else to pursue.
Then nerfing the end game wonât fix that problem⌠just give them more reason to not do what theyâre already bored of. Why spend more time trying to get as a good a hammer as you did before and have it ruined by one quirk? Nerfing end game content doesnât make it more interesting for players in end game, adding new content does.
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If you go mining a lot, power coils arenât too hard to make. But mining is very boring. So we spend money to get tools that make it easier and more fun so we can get to the point where we can make those tools ourselves. But now the tools that make mining bearable will be nearly impossible to find unless you enjoy dying or not being able to use your tool half the time or whatever. I donât get why they try to take out the things that we use to make the unenjoyable, grindy parts of the game bearable and worth our time.
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There is a lot of hyperbolic sensationalism being thrown about in this thread. We do not even know fully what they are going to do. All they have done at this point is reached out in an attempt to better communicate with the base.
People acting like folks dont use cross aoe ot 1x3 aor or 1x2 aoe are people who refuse to use anything but the best. There are plenty of us that use the lesser tools, as long as they are priced as such. Those tools are not going to get you a crazy profit that a 3x3 tool will but in no means does that make it garbage,
People need to loosen up in a big way. Itâs a video game afterall, meant for entertainment. If you are this spun up over the DISCUSSION of proposed changes, then man, priorities need to be adjusted because youâre just wrong.
edit - @sashaisafish i apologize this wasnt directed at you, its just where I hit reply.
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