Do we need a wipe?

[the-moebius]

yeah it needs a good wipe

[Vurtadelic]

I don’t think a wipe is enough, time for a good long shower

[Evergreen]

If that’s the case and you don’t care then why make the post? What purpose is it serving others than hitting enter one last time?

If people are constantly ‘misreading’ what you are trying to convey then it’s probably not them.

[Peyago]

People’s opinions that don’t agree should be involved as well. Adding a post saying that you don’t want something because of said reason is just as important as people saying they do want it for said reason. That’s currently the problem with idea or suggestion threads on the forums is that people can’t accept that others have different opinions as them. Only being able to post when you agree with something creates an echo chamber and only gives one side of the equation.

[LyndaFromHR]

Okay that was pretty funny.

[Xaldafax]

[quote=“Stretchious, post:203, topic:33828”]
Subjective. And I’m pretty certain it was only you in EA suggesting that they wipe again 6 months before release. [/quote]

Yes what I said was subjective which could be said about a million posts in this forum. As it turns out I was talking as early at October 2017 (almost a year before release) about us needing a wipe especially to help prove out the new user experience.

World Reset and testing before 1.0

I know @james has communicated that we will get about 6 months or so warning before 1.0 is scheduled for release. Also, obviously at the time of 1.0 a new set of planets will be generated and we will shut down and store the existing worlds. But, my question is whether we will have a world wipe prior to 1.0 (around that 6 month warning) so that we can have one more full play-through test of the game mechanics and environment for feedback and testing? If that is not on the books, I would strong…

People didn’t want to give up their builds even in EA or help in the new user experience and things the wipe would have helped with. As it turns out, I think there was more than enough complaints and evidence that not having a good balance pass prior to release actually hurt us, lost some players, and caused frustration. Even if it is a subjective point I have, I wouldn’t doubt that many people would support the evidence that not wiping prior to release as a miss and lost opportunity.

@Stretchious

Never anywhere have I seen the developers say that.

I was unable to find the exact place I was told about a 6 months wipe directly from James and cannot remember the specifics. Where I got it from in the first part of that post I linked above I cannot remember. So it might have been wrong information that was given to me as being attributed to a Dev saying exactly 6 months and I apologize if I pushed something that wasn’t true. Or somehow people (or me) confused the 6 month warning and talks back in about 2 resets coming and it being merged into one statement.

In any event, we have clear proof from a Dev that they were talking about a wipe coming prior to release as early at 4/2016:

@james

We estimate that there will likely be 2 resets between now and the 1.0 release.
The first reset will come when we release all the world technology and biomes for 1.0.
The second reset is a spare … that we might need for unknown reasons.

But, when I asked in November 2017 again about it and trying to show my concerns it was communicated they would not wipe:

@james

At the moment we’re not planning to wipe the worlds before we start the process of preparing the 1.0 pre-release and release.

Now just to clear up a few things in the other part of your post…

@Stretchious

There is a simple solution to this though. Delete your characters and start again. You have that choice to suit your views.

The issues around the wipe are my opinions on the larger aspect of the game and not really “personal” in the context you are talking. So a personal wipe won’t solve or fix the things I see in the larger game, community, new user experience, or even the “staleness” that could happen in a few years.

@Stretchious

However, by continually pushing your desire for a wipe and touting it as being “good for the game” without any actual proof that it would be, all you’re doing is essentially removing that choice from everyone else.

I do not think that is a fair representation of how I am presenting things. It is not a constant narrative that I always push on these forums and I have only brought it up a few times beyond supporting conversations around it when others talk about it. You are basically echoing some of the wrong information about me that others do and I think it is time to clear the record.

What is completely incorrect in your assessment, thought, is that I am removing other peoples choice. I only have conversations around it and look for options and features to solve concerns and engage people when they are against it. I talk to people privately about their concerns with a wipe and help see how we could mitigate those concerns. It is really not fair to define me like this when I actually am just having a constructive conversations around it in the good and bad parts of a wipe. This is much different that people that just call it “stupid” or get toxic or won’t respect over views.

The biggest issue with defining me like this is the reality is that even if I had the complete power to wipe the game right now I would not and honestly don’t know if I ever would. I feel it is important to respect people’s work and see if there is a path to solving the issues a wipe could solve AND give people what they want in a persistent universe. I feel we have many more things to put in place and much more “conversation” on the topic before we could even press the button.

[MinerDiggerMan]

@Xaldafax

The biggest issue with defining me like this is the reality is that even if I had the complete power to wipe the game right now I would not and honestly don’t know if I ever would. I feel it is important to respect people’s work and see if there is a path to solving the issues a wipe could solve AND give people what they want in a persistent universe.

Gold star. Well said. Completely agree with what you said. We’re just looking for ideas of how to improve the game. We aren’t even committed to this nor do we want to destroy people’s hard work.

@Xaldafax

People didn’t want to give up their builds even in EA or help in the new user experience and things the wipe would have helped with.

This is unfortunately still common but I made a new thread specifically to discuss this. New users and retention are important. We need to talk about what sacrifices all current players would be willing to make if it grew Boundless as well as what could benefit everyone.

The more people who play Boundless the more content we all get.

[Evergreen]

I agree. There’s a difference in trying to stop a discussion from taking place because you don’t like an idea and holding a thread hostage as a result compared to posting once why you don’t like it or agree with it and leaving it at that. I think you’re the one who has said a few times in the past that the devs are the only minds that need convincing. Then people on these forums need to quit being so argumentative, state their case, and leave it at that.

[Stretchious]

@Xaldafax

I feel it is important to respect people’s work and see if there is a path to solving the issues a wipe could solve AND give people what they want in a persistent universe.

I’ve still not seen any valid information on what issues could only be “solved” by a wipe.

The start of any change process should be clearly defining what the issues actually are that need to be solved. Only then can you work on implementing solutions.

[Xaldafax]

@LyndaFromHR

Second, no one is practicing the Golden Circle when it comes to coming up with ideas. When I say “No one” I am really pointing the finger at you guys. Its not up to us to generate your content. You need to be the agent of vision and change to help gather feedback. Start with Why, not what.

This is an incorrect assessment of James and the Development team. How about in the future don’t define people until you really have all the information. I’ve had plenty of conversations with them that is much more mature approach on a technical, design, and program management than you could even imagine.

Sure they don’t do everything perfect, but no one does. We all are human and make mistakes. It really can come off arrogant when you tell people how to act yet in a previous post you were calling the discussion stupid.

James phrased the questions however he wanted because he didn’t need answers to the questions. He needed to communicate the message that we should “discuss” things and he was using those things as examples. If he was asking the question, “why” and all that stuff Simon talks about is included.

Even though I am critical on parts of your post, I do support that any discussion needs to take the repercussions of those decision very seriously. But, even then James and the team know that… they have seen clear evidence of how some of their decisions played out - good and bad.

[Revan]

Personally I don’t I’ve been playing since launch and I’ve put hundreds of hours to get to where I am now

[Xaldafax]

@Stretchious

I’ve still not seen any valid information on what issues could only be “solved” by a wipe.

The start of any change process should be clearly defining what the issues actually are that need to be solved. Only then can you work on implementing solutions.

I agree of course but why have the conversation if people aren’t willing to or acknowledge where they might have judged a bit too harshly.

Most of the “experience” of the wipe needs to come from the players but the “reasons” need to come from the Development team. We don’t have enough data and need more information.

For me I’m not really interested in bringing in the reasons or anything because we see how this topic goes… better to wait and see how the game matures for another year before wipe is discussed at least for me.

[Loco-Is-Back]

For all y0u that want a wipe, why don’t you ask for new worlds and you can start all over in those worlds.

Wipe = I won’t come back, Just saying.

[Stretchious]

So the simple answer to this whole thread (and all those that came before it) is…

“No”

There is no reason for a wipe, so we don’t need a wipe.

[Aragorn]

I’m still kinda lost as to the reasons for a wipe. Not trying to antagonize, just understand the reasons.

[Venom]

@Loco-Is-Back

Wipe = I won’t come back, Just saying.

Then you would have to change your name to Loco-Is-Gone lol but i agree. The only way i would agree to a wipe is if we had New Game+ and i dont think this is that type of game .

If you all that are in favor of a wipe think im going back to iron hammer mining for diamonds, i got news for you…I would do it but every hit with that hammer would be an image of your avis on those rocks im hitting